HSNCT and its Problems - Revision history

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Kevin Wang: /* Initial post */

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Kevin Wang at 19:44, 6 January 2022

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June Yin at 21:40, 9 December 2021

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Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford: /* Initial post */

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-<onlyinclude>"'''HSNCT and its Problems'''"<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383465#p383465 HSNCT and its Problems] by [[etotheipi]] » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:27 pm</ref> was a [[hsquizbowl.org|forum]] thread started by [[Aadi Karthik]] in the lead-up to the [[2021 HSNCT]].  It summarized a number of issues with the logistics of [[HSNCT]] and with the operation of [[NAQT]] more generally.
+<onlyinclude>"'''HSNCT and its Problems'''"<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383465#p383465 HSNCT and its Problems] by [[etotheipi]] » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:27 pm</ref> was a [[hsquizbowl.org|forum]] thread started by [[Arya Karthik]] in the lead-up to the [[2021 HSNCT]].  It summarized a number of issues with the logistics of [[HSNCT]] and with the operation of [[NAQT]] more generally.
 The initial post was criticized for its poor tone, and discussion largely focused on the arguments regarding logistics, costs, and NAQT's finances rather than more subjective questions of question quality and difficulty variance.</onlyinclude>
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 The major points raised in the initial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT '[[pyramidal]] [[good quizbowl]]' anymore." The accepted definition of "[[good quizbowl]]", however, focuses on factors like [[pyramidal]] structure and [[fairness]] rather than any strict standard of quality. It is the community consensus that NAQT continues to be "good quizbowl".
-While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT soon provided the requested clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post was almost universally criticized (the section on timing rules being the exception). After the [[2021 HSNCT]], Aadi made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms.
+While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT soon provided the requested clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post was almost universally criticized (the section on timing rules being the exception). After the [[2021 HSNCT]], Arya made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms.
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-The major points raised in the initial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT '[[pyramidal]] [[good quizbowl]]' anymore."<sup>1</sup>
+The major points raised in the initial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT '[[pyramidal]] [[good quizbowl]]' anymore." The accepted definition of "[[good quizbowl]]", however, focuses on factors like [[pyramidal]] structure and [[fairness]] rather than any strict standard of quality. It is the community consensus that NAQT continues to be "good quizbowl".
 While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT soon provided the requested clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post was almost universally criticized (the section on timing rules being the exception). After the [[2021 HSNCT]], Aadi made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms.

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 The sentiments that led to the writing of the post persisted (and may continue to persist) long after - in a discussion held after the final post in the thread, individuals in the high school Discord claimed that "its a general consensus" that NAQT questions didn't meet modern standards<ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849327589445206066 some of the questions just aren't up to the standard that we have in quiz bowl now days]</ref><ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849327814757842984 i believe its a general consensus]</ref> and that NAQT should just consider doing college mirrors of HSNCT.<ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849323130404470794 for example, maybe naqt could seek college mirrors of hsnct? smh will likely be paying both its writers and editors pretty decently, and this is why]</ref> Most sentiments were and still are due to improper understandings of the economics of quizbowl in general and NAQT in particular: other claims include that NAQT was not "even close to losing money" due to revenue from [[Buzzword]],<ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849322452239515719 I don’t think NAQT is even close to losing money, given the revenue Buzzword generates]</ref> that NAQT should make HSNCT at a loss,<ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849326161203822622 you can still make overpriced things at a loss]</ref> that NAQT was not trying hard enough to lower prices,<ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849322387337642025 this does not necessarily mean that naqt is maliciously raising their price! it just means that they are possibly not putting enough attention into getting costs down]</ref> and that NAQT doesn't pay a lot for rooms.<ref>[https://discord.com/channels/431165274834599937/431165274834599945/849321156627922964 to be fair, it's really unlikely that it costs a lot for naqt to pay for rooms]</ref>
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 The major points raised in the initial post were a lack of guidelines to deal with cheating, the high cost of the tournament, the timing rules, and issues with the quality and variable difficulty of HSNCT questions. The post drew controversy for describing HSNCT questions as "of such low quality that it's hard to call NAQT '[[pyramidal]] [[good quizbowl]]' anymore."<sup>1</sup>
-While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT soon provided the requested clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post, except for the timing rules, was almost universally criticized. After the [[2021 HSNCT]], Aadi made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms.
+While several posters noted their openness to criticisms of NAQT and the HSNCT,<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383493#p383493 Re: HSNCT and its Problems] by [[jonpin]] » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 pm</ref>, and though NAQT soon provided the requested clarity on their cheating guidelines, the remainder of the post was almost universally criticized (the section on timing rules being the exception). After the [[2021 HSNCT]], Aadi made a post reaffirming their support of their arguments and criticisms.
 ==Aftermath==

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−	<onlyinclude>~~The [[hsquizbowl.org\|forum]] thread~~ "'''HSNCT and its Problems'''"<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383465#p383465 HSNCT and its Problems] by [[etotheipi]] » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:27 pm</ref> was a thread started by [[Aadi Karthik]] in the lead-up to the [[2021 HSNCT]] ~~that~~ summarized a number of issues with the logistics of [[HSNCT]] and with the operation of [[NAQT]] more generally.	+	<onlyinclude>"'''HSNCT and its Problems'''"<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=383465#p383465 HSNCT and its Problems] by [[etotheipi]] » Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:27 pm</ref> was a [[hsquizbowl.org\|forum]] thread started by [[Aadi Karthik]] in the lead-up to the [[2021 HSNCT]]. It summarized a number of issues with the logistics of [[HSNCT]] and with the operation of [[NAQT]] more generally.

	The initial post was criticized for its poor tone, and discussion largely focused on the arguments regarding logistics, costs, and NAQT's finances rather than more subjective questions of question quality and difficulty variance.</onlyinclude>		The initial post was criticized for its poor tone, and discussion largely focused on the arguments regarding logistics, costs, and NAQT's finances rather than more subjective questions of question quality and difficulty variance.</onlyinclude>