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'''Sun 'n' Fun''' (or '''Sun 'n Fun''', or '''Sun n Fun''') was a series of collegiate [[packet sub]] tournaments run by [[USF]] in the summer. The inaugural Sun 'n' Fun was played in 2000; the next decade saw intermittent Suns 'n' Funs culminating in Sun 'n Fun XI in 2010. The intended difficulty of the tournaments ranged from [[ACF Fall|Fall]] to [[ACF Regionals|Regionals]], with the final iterations claiming [[ACF Nationals|Nationals]]-level. By the end of its existence, Sun 'n' Fun was known for its inconsistency, high difficulty, and poor quality; nevertheless, it remained a popular tournament, with many players traveling to the main site in Florida each year.

Every possible combination of apostrophes in "Sun 'n' Fun" has been used in official discussions of the sets.

==Before 2006==
As with other artifacts of early 2000s quiz bowl, it is difficulty to find information on early Sun 'n' Funs because they predate many of the extant forms of documentation like the [[forums]] and [[the database]].

==2007==
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| style="text-align: left;"|Have you ever been to one of those museums that are housed in some dead eccentric rich guy's old mansion? And the museum's collection is made up entirely of random things that the guy collected? This tournament was exactly like that; it was a display of random things that Ahmad collects inside of his mind.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140280#p140280 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[Skepticism and Animal Feed]] » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:40 pm</ref>
—[[Bruce Arthur]]
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'''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3957 Sun n' Fun VIII and a 1/2: Fewer Ns Better Qs]''' was the first Sun 'n' Fun edited by [[Ahmad Ragab]]; this was also the first tournament that Ahmad had ever edited.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55284#p55284 Results] by [[SnookerUSF]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:03 am</ref> Ahmad's editorial style would come to define the final iterations of the tournament, which were all edited by him; his tendency to over-represent his interests and his unwillingness to cut overly difficult questions, coupled with the nature of packet sub, produced three sets that were praised for their novel content but criticized for both over- and under-shooting difficulty and having excessively long questions. [[Jerry Vinokurov]] called [[Arrabal]] "[his] own Sun-n-Fun" due to its difficulty and [[vanity]] nature.

The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easily thirty-able bonuses that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals'" to "five or six tossups going dead every game". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time (for more discussion of these answers, see [[2007 Sun 'n' Fun discussion]]).<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>

==2008==
'''[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5039 Sun 'n Fun IX: The Medusa Laughs Again, Or Avoiding the Curse of the Ninth]''' was held May 10, 2008 at USF. The set was again edited by Ahmad Ragab, with contributions from [[Rob Fernandez]], [[Jeremy Rasmussen]], [[Anthony Napolitano]], and [[Ellen O'Connell]].

This iteration of the set made use of [[writer tags]] but bizarrely embedded them between the question number and the first words of the question.

A Maryland mirror was held.

==2009==
'''[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7585 Sun 'n' Fun 2009: A Decade Under the Influence]''' was held at [[Valencia]] on July 11, 2009; the change from the typical location at USF was due to issues with room reservations.<ref>[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=131591#p131591 Re: Prelim. Announcement: Sun 'n Fun X July 11, 2009] by [[ValenciaQBowl]] » Tue May 05, 2009 9:15 am</ref> The set was edited by Ahmad Ragab, with contributions from [[Anurag Kashyap]], [[Susan Ferrari]], [[Auroni Gupta]], [[Sandy Huang]], [[Jeff Amoros]], and [[Chris Kennedy]].

This tournament aimed higher than previous iterations by initially advertising as "ACF Nationals level difficulty", then as "a tic easier than this year's [[Missouri Open]]" - it overshot both these marks, with [[Matt Weiner]] directly comparing it to [[2008 Chicago Open]].<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140383#p140383 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[vcuEvan]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:13 pm</ref><ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140399#p140399 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[Matt Weiner]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:07 pm</ref> The history was cited as distinctly weaker than the rest of the set, which had many of the flaws that had plagued Sun 'n' Funs of the past.

Discussion of the set can be found [https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8112 here].

After the Maryland mirror<ref>[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=131644#p131644 ANNOUNCEMENT: Sun 'n Fun X Mirror (7/11/09) at Maryland] by [[DumbJaques]] » Tue May 05, 2009 7:18 pm</ref>, teams intended to play side events like [[Tyrone Slothrop]] and [[Henry Darger]] but were sidelined by logistical difficulties that resulted in the main tournament having a twelve-hour run time. This was due in part to a large event in Jimenez in which members of the National Student Leadership Conference cordoned off play rooms as part of a biohazard simulation.<ref>[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140373#p140373 Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Sun 'n Fun X Mirror (7/11/09) at Maryland] by [[DumbJaques]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:25 pm</ref>

A Minnesota mirror was also held.

==2010==
'''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=182868#p182868 2010 Sun 'n' Fun XI: Ars Longa, Tossups Brevis]''' was held at USF on August 14, 2010 and was the final iteration of the tournament. Ahmad Ragab remained the editor, with some help from [[Jonathan Magin]], and [[Mehdi Razvi]], [[Isaac Hirsch]], and [[Sean Platzer]] contributed questions. This tournament made use of half-packet submission: the submission of half packets, rather than full packets.

Discussion can be found [https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10432 here].
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-'''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3957 Sun n' Fun VIII and a 1/2: Fewer Ns Better Qs]''' was the first modern Sun 'n' Fun and was edited by [[Ahmad Ragab]]; this was also the first tournament that Ahmad had ever edited.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55284#p55284 Results] by [[SnookerUSF]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:03 am</ref> Ahmad's editorial style would come to define the tournament, which were all edited by him; his tendency to over-represent his interests and his unwillingness to cut overly difficult questions, coupled with the nature of packet sub, produced three sets that were praised for their novel content but criticized for both over- and under-shooting difficulty and having excessively long questions. [[Jerry Vinokurov]] called [[Arrabal]] "[his] own Sun-n-Fun" due to its difficulty and [[vanity]] nature.
+'''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3957 Sun n' Fun VIII and a 1/2: Fewer Ns Better Qs]''' was the first modern Sun 'n' Fun and was edited by [[Ahmad Ragab]]; this was also the first tournament that Ahmad had ever edited.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55284#p55284 Results] by [[SnookerUSF]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:03 am</ref> Ahmad's editorial style would come to define the tournament, which were all edited by him; his tendency to over-represent his interests and his unwillingness to cut overly difficult questions, coupled with the nature of packet sub, produced four sets that were praised for their novel content but criticized for both over- and under-shooting difficulty and having excessively long questions. [[Jerry Vinokurov]] called [[Arrabal]] "[his] own Sun-n-Fun" due to its difficulty and [[vanity]] nature.
 The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easy 30s" that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals' to "5 or 6 answers that were going dead everywhere". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>

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 '''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3957 Sun n' Fun VIII and a 1/2: Fewer Ns Better Qs]''' was the first modern Sun 'n' Fun and was edited by [[Ahmad Ragab]]; this was also the first tournament that Ahmad had ever edited.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55284#p55284 Results] by [[SnookerUSF]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:03 am</ref> Ahmad's editorial style would come to define the tournament, which were all edited by him; his tendency to over-represent his interests and his unwillingness to cut overly difficult questions, coupled with the nature of packet sub, produced three sets that were praised for their novel content but criticized for both over- and under-shooting difficulty and having excessively long questions. [[Jerry Vinokurov]] called [[Arrabal]] "[his] own Sun-n-Fun" due to its difficulty and [[vanity]] nature.
-The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easy 30s" that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals' to "5 or 5 answers that were going dead everywhere". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>
+The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easy 30s" that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals' to "5 or 6 answers that were going dead everywhere". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>
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 '''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3957 Sun n' Fun VIII and a 1/2: Fewer Ns Better Qs]''' was the first modern Sun 'n' Fun and was edited by [[Ahmad Ragab]]; this was also the first tournament that Ahmad had ever edited.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55284#p55284 Results] by [[SnookerUSF]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:03 am</ref> Ahmad's editorial style would come to define the tournament, which were all edited by him; his tendency to over-represent his interests and his unwillingness to cut overly difficult questions, coupled with the nature of packet sub, produced three sets that were praised for their novel content but criticized for both over- and under-shooting difficulty and having excessively long questions. [[Jerry Vinokurov]] called [[Arrabal]] "[his] own Sun-n-Fun" due to its difficulty and [[vanity]] nature.
-The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easily thirty-able bonuses that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals'" to "five or six tossups going dead every game". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>
+The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easy 30s" that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals' to "5 or 5 answers that were going dead everywhere". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>
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 As with other artifacts of early 2000s quiz bowl, it is difficulty to find information on early Sun 'n' Funs because they predate many of the extant forms of documentation like the [[forums]] and [[the database]].
-The [[packet archive]] contains editions of the set from 2005 and 2000 - it is unclear whether there were additional instances of the set or if the naming scheme of Sun 'n' Fun VIII was chosen to be intentionally wrong.
+The [[packet archive]] only contains editions of the set from 2005 and 2000 - it is unclear whether there were additional instances of the set or if the naming scheme of Sun 'n' Fun VIII was chosen to be intentionally wrong.
 ==2007==

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 '''[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3957 Sun n' Fun VIII and a 1/2: Fewer Ns Better Qs]''' was the first modern Sun 'n' Fun and was edited by [[Ahmad Ragab]]; this was also the first tournament that Ahmad had ever edited.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55284#p55284 Results] by [[SnookerUSF]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:03 am</ref> Ahmad's editorial style would come to define the tournament, which were all edited by him; his tendency to over-represent his interests and his unwillingness to cut overly difficult questions, coupled with the nature of packet sub, produced three sets that were praised for their novel content but criticized for both over- and under-shooting difficulty and having excessively long questions. [[Jerry Vinokurov]] called [[Arrabal]] "[his] own Sun-n-Fun" due to its difficulty and [[vanity]] nature.
-The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easily thirty-able bonuses that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals'" to "five or six tossups going dead every game". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time (for more discussion of these answers, see [[2007 Sun 'n' Fun discussion]]).<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>
+The reception of the set was mixed: the difficulty had swung wildly from "easily thirty-able bonuses that hit the advertised difficulty of 'Fall to Regionals'" to "five or six tossups going dead every game". However, much of this was attributed to the low quality of the submissions rather than Ahmad, whose work on the editor packets was received much more positively. A young [[Chris Ray]] called the set "absolutely horrible" and listed out a number of answers - these form an interesting slice into what was considered "too hard" at the time.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55309#p55309 Sun n Fun Discussion] by [[wd4gdz]] » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:49 pm</ref>
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 '''[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7585 Sun 'n' Fun 2009: A Decade Under the Influence]''' was held at [[Valencia]] on July 11, 2009; the change from the typical location at USF was due to issues with room reservations.<ref>[https://www.hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=131591#p131591 Re: Prelim. Announcement: Sun 'n Fun X July 11, 2009] by [[ValenciaQBowl]] » Tue May 05, 2009 9:15 am</ref> The set was edited by Ahmad Ragab, with contributions from [[Anurag Kashyap]], [[Susan Ferrari]], [[Auroni Gupta]], [[Sandy Huang]], [[Jeff Amoros]], and [[Chris Kennedy]].
-This tournament aimed higher than previous iterations by initially advertising as "ACF Nationals level difficulty", then as "a tic easier than this year's [[Missouri Open]]" - it overshot both these marks, with [[Matt Weiner]] directly comparing it to [[2008 Chicago Open]].<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140383#p140383 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[vcuEvan]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:13 pm</ref><ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140399#p140399 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[Matt Weiner]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:07 pm</ref> The history was cited as distinctly weaker than the rest of the set, which had many of the flaws that had plagued Sun 'n' Funs of the past.
+This tournament aimed higher than previous iterations by initially advertising as "ACF Nationals level difficulty", then as "a tic easier than this year's [[Missouri Open]]" - it overshot both these marks, with [[Matt Weiner]] directly comparing it to [[2008 Chicago Open]].<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140383#p140383 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[vcuEvan]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:13 pm</ref><ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140399#p140399 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[Matt Weiner]] » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:07 pm</ref> The history was cited as distinctly weaker than the rest of the set, which had many of the flaws that had plagued Sun 'n' Funs of the past. A question on ''Duel of the Fates'' from Star Wars Episode I was designated as one of the seven total music questions (of which three were on opera) - people were varying levels of unhappy about this.<ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140563#p140563 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[Theory Of The Leisure Flask]] » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:59 am</ref><ref>[https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=140613#p140613 Re: Sun 'n' Fun 2009 Discussion] by [[Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)]] » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:39 pm</ref>
 Discussion of the set can be found [https://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8112 here].