Talk:One-person teams - Revision history

Kevin Wang at 23:08, 22 June 2021

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Kevin Wang at 23:07, 22 June 2021

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Reilly Melville at 20:59, 22 June 2021

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Chris Chiego: /* from Chris */

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Kevin Wang: /* from David */

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David Reinstein: /* from David */

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Kevin Wang: /* from David */

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Kevin Wang: /* from Benjamin */

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David Reinstein at 12:12, 22 June 2021

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Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford at 10:59, 22 June 2021

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 There is an open question of whether it is worthwhile to have a list of "one-person teams" like the one I added to this page. It is my opinion that this is information that people are interested in and are actively seeking out with some regularity, so it should be included (with some modifications). I have explicitly not added any information outside of the team, roster, year, and placement to present this table as neutrally as possible. I also intend to create pages for every player of every team. -[[User:Kevin Wang|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang|talk]]) 16:28, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
-:Thanks for all the discussion in the last day. I did the previously mentioned expansion of the early section. I have also commented off the table until a consensus is reached for what are acceptable guidelines for which teams are in it. I still think that is information that is worth having, but perhaps it is better suited for another format. -[[User:Kevin Wang|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang|talk]]) 18:07, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
+:Thanks for all the discussion in the last day. I did the previously mentioned expansion of the early section. I have also commented off the table until a consensus is reached for what are acceptable guidelines for which teams are in it - I still intend to go through and make pages for the players listed, and anyone reading this can help with that too. I still think that is information that is worth having, but perhaps it is better suited for another format. -[[User:Kevin Wang|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang|talk]]) 18:07, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
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	There is an open question of whether it is worthwhile to have a list of "one-person teams" like the one I added to this page. It is my opinion that this is information that people are interested in and are actively seeking out with some regularity, so it should be included (with some modifications). I have explicitly not added any information outside of the team, roster, year, and placement to present this table as neutrally as possible. I also intend to create pages for every player of every team. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 16:28, 21 June 2021 (CDT)		There is an open question of whether it is worthwhile to have a list of "one-person teams" like the one I added to this page. It is my opinion that this is information that people are interested in and are actively seeking out with some regularity, so it should be included (with some modifications). I have explicitly not added any information outside of the team, roster, year, and placement to present this table as neutrally as possible. I also intend to create pages for every player of every team. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 16:28, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	:Thanks for all the discussion in the last day. I did the previously mentioned expansion of the early section. I have also commented off the table until a consensus is reached for what are acceptable guidelines for which teams are in it. I still think that is information that is worth having, but perhaps it is better suited for another format. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 18:07, 22 June 2021 (CDT)

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 :This is not a formal argument but I will politely ask you to scroll through the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] page and see whose name pops up. -[[User:Kevin Wang|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang|talk]]) 17:24, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
-::I'm not at all saying that this article is bad or that contributing to it is bad (like I said above, more info on here > less info on here), and I'm sorry if I came off that way. I just think this particular article, though useful, isn't as useful as some of the other things on here. You, of course, are welcome to spend your time however you wish (and I think I speak for many other people when I say that I appreciate the amount of work you've put into the wiki recently). [[User:Reilly Melville|Reilly Melville]] ([[User talk:Reilly Melville|talk]]) 18:06, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
+::I'm not at all saying that this article is bad or that contributing to it is bad (like I said above, more info on here > less info on here), and I'm sorry if I came off that way. I just think this particular article, though useful, isn't as useful as some of the other things on here. You, of course, are welcome to spend your time however you wish (and I think I speak for many other people when I say that I appreciate the amount of work you've put into the wiki recently). [[User:Reilly Melville|Reilly Melville]] -([[User talk:Reilly Melville|talk]]) 18:06, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
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	:While reading through some older threads I found direct testimonial from individuals on some of these teams that expressed frustration with the use of the phrase, which is a much stronger argument than any other that has been presented thus far. I hope that creating articles for every player on these teams is an adequate way to balance this out - if not, then this list can go. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 19:46, 21 June 2021 (CDT)		:While reading through some older threads I found direct testimonial from individuals on some of these teams that expressed frustration with the use of the phrase, which is a much stronger argument than any other that has been presented thus far. I hope that creating articles for every player on these teams is an adequate way to balance this out - if not, then this list can go. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 19:46, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	:: It's more than fine to have a page on this term and similar terms (and I like the distinction between this and a "solo" team for instance), but making a list of one-person teams, as others have pointed out here, is fraught with a number of issues. Like Reinstein notes, I don't think creating extra pages for other teammates really balances this out either and would be a whole lot extra work for you. Maybe you could highlight a couple of examples of one-person teams so long as the members of that team were okay with it. -[[User:Chris Chiego\|Chris C.]] ([[User talk:Chris Chiego\|talk]]) 13:44, 22 June 2021 (PDT)

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	::I was thinking about it some more, and my suggestion is to have something along the lines of an article on players who were in the top ten individuals and on a top ten team. The two people who hit those criteria from this year's HSNCT are Amogh Kulkarni of Arcadia and Rohan Ganeshan of Buffalo Grove. The people who hit them from this year's NSC are Aadi Karthik, Nathan Sheffield, Arjun Nageswaran, Tegan Kapadia, and Justin Posner. I think that would give a pretty similar list to what is here without insulting people because the focus would be on the performance of the top players rather than implying a lack of performance from their teammates. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 13:32, 22 June 2021 (CDT)		::I was thinking about it some more, and my suggestion is to have something along the lines of an article on players who were in the top ten individuals and on a top ten team. The two people who hit those criteria from this year's HSNCT are Amogh Kulkarni of Arcadia and Rohan Ganeshan of Buffalo Grove. The people who hit them from this year's NSC are Aadi Karthik, Nathan Sheffield, Arjun Nageswaran, Tegan Kapadia, and Justin Posner. I think that would give a pretty similar list to what is here without insulting people because the focus would be on the performance of the top players rather than implying a lack of performance from their teammates. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 13:32, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	:::I think that if I were to compile that list, it would look exactly like a page for, say, a high school player poll. Much like that page, nobody's teammates would be visible at any point - I don't feel like that's better. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 14:26, 22 June 2021 (CDT)

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	:A sparse article is better than no article. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 13:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)		:A sparse article is better than no article. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 13:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	::I was thinking about it some more, and my suggestion is to have something along the lines of an article on players who were in the top ten individuals and on a top ten team. The two people who hit those criteria from this year's HSNCT are Amogh Kulkarni of Arcadia and Rohan Ganeshan of Buffalo Grove. The people who hit them from this year's NSC are Aadi Karthik, Nathan Sheffield, Arjun Nageswaran, Tegan Kapadia, and Justin Posner. I think that would give a pretty similar list to what is here without insulting people because the focus would be on the performance of the top players rather than implying a lack of performance from their teammates. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 13:32, 22 June 2021 (CDT)

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	I agree with Aadi. Also, Buffalo Grove does not meet the criterion anyways. Also, I don't think writing articles on everybody mentioned is viable unless you plan on writing articles saying in their entirety Person X played for High School Y that finished in 17th place at HSNCT in 2014. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 07:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)		I agree with Aadi. Also, Buffalo Grove does not meet the criterion anyways. Also, I don't think writing articles on everybody mentioned is viable unless you plan on writing articles saying in their entirety Person X played for High School Y that finished in 17th place at HSNCT in 2014. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 07:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	:There were some approximations made when compiling the stats, namely using prelims individual PPG vs overall team tossup points. As Benjamin noted, though, the criteria should probably be tightened anyways.
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		+	:A sparse article is better than no article. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 13:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)

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 My biggest issue with this article is that this isn't what a one-person team often refers to. The standard being used for inclusion here is far too loose- few of these teams would be called one-person teams in normal usage. The article shouldn't exist in the first place but it would be less bad if it only included teams that actually would have placed roughly the same if one player from them had been solo. [[User:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford|Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford]] ([[User talk:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford|talk]]) 05:59, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
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 I agree with Aadi. Also, Buffalo Grove does not meet the criterion anyways. Also, I don't think writing articles on everybody mentioned is viable unless you plan on writing articles saying in their entirety Person X played for High School Y that finished in 17th place at HSNCT in 2014. [[User:David Reinstein|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein|talk]]) 07:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)

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	My biggest issue with this article is that this isn't what a one-person team often refers to. The standard being used for inclusion here is far too loose- few of these teams would be called one-person teams in normal usage. The article shouldn't exist in the first place but it would be less bad if it only included teams that actually would have placed roughly the same if one player from them had been solo. [[User:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford\|Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford]] ([[User talk:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford\|talk]]) 05:59, 22 June 2021 (CDT)		My biggest issue with this article is that this isn't what a one-person team often refers to. The standard being used for inclusion here is far too loose- few of these teams would be called one-person teams in normal usage. The article shouldn't exist in the first place but it would be less bad if it only included teams that actually would have placed roughly the same if one player from them had been solo. [[User:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford\|Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford]] ([[User talk:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford\|talk]]) 05:59, 22 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	I agree with Aadi. Also, Buffalo Grove does not meet the criterion anyways. Also, I don't think writing articles on everybody mentioned is viable unless you plan on writing articles saying in their entirety Person X played for High School Y that finished in 17th place at HSNCT in 2014. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 07:12, 22 June 2021 (CDT)

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	:While reading through some older threads I found direct testimonial from individuals on some of these teams that expressed frustration with the use of the phrase, which is a much stronger argument than any other that has been presented thus far. I hope that creating articles for every player on these teams is an adequate way to balance this out - if not, then this list can go. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 19:46, 21 June 2021 (CDT)		:While reading through some older threads I found direct testimonial from individuals on some of these teams that expressed frustration with the use of the phrase, which is a much stronger argument than any other that has been presented thus far. I hope that creating articles for every player on these teams is an adequate way to balance this out - if not, then this list can go. -[[User:Kevin Wang\|Kevin Wang]] ([[User talk:Kevin Wang\|talk]]) 19:46, 21 June 2021 (CDT)
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		+	==from Benjamin==
		+	My biggest issue with this article is that this isn't what a one-person team often refers to. The standard being used for inclusion here is far too loose- few of these teams would be called one-person teams in normal usage. The article shouldn't exist in the first place but it would be less bad if it only included teams that actually would have placed roughly the same if one player from them had been solo. [[User:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford\|Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford]] ([[User talk:Benjamin McAvoy-Bickford\|talk]]) 05:59, 22 June 2021 (CDT)