Talk:Quizbowl software - Revision history

David Reinstein at 04:16, 26 July 2019

2019-07-26T04:16:19Z

Ophir Lifshitz: /* This Page Sucks */ reply and serious appeal for rapport

2019-07-26T04:00:44Z

This Page Sucks: reply and serious appeal for rapport

Jonah Greenthal at 22:59, 25 July 2019

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David Reinstein at 15:58, 25 July 2019

2019-07-25T15:58:46Z

Gregory Gauthier: /* New supersection headings */ new section

2014-04-29T02:35:20Z

New supersection headings: new section

Ophir Lifshitz: Reply to comment

2014-04-18T21:38:39Z

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Zachary Yan: Created page with "Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--~~~~"

2014-04-18T21:35:49Z

Created page with "Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--~~~~"

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Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--[[User:Zachary Yan|Zachary Yan]] ([[User talk:Zachary Yan|talk]]) 14:35, 18 April 2014 (PDT)

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	:I think there's some useful stuff, and it's good to have some page like this. Also, the historical stuff is interesting too (at least to me). If I had time and inclination, I would create a "Defunct quizbowl software" page and move much of this page to it, and do my best to ensure this page had modern information. [[User:Jonah Greenthal\|Jonah]] ([[User talk:Jonah Greenthal\|talk]]) 17:59, 25 July 2019 (CDT)		:I think there's some useful stuff, and it's good to have some page like this. Also, the historical stuff is interesting too (at least to me). If I had time and inclination, I would create a "Defunct quizbowl software" page and move much of this page to it, and do my best to ensure this page had modern information. [[User:Jonah Greenthal\|Jonah]] ([[User talk:Jonah Greenthal\|talk]]) 17:59, 25 July 2019 (CDT)
	::I assume your title didn’t intend to offend, but it still bites a bit as I spent a long time creating this page, trying to collect and centralize all known information about quizbowl software (so much of which has disappeared with little trace) and stay completely objective and trustworthy. I think that your remark is itself not accurate – how can a list of timestamped links to published archives not be accurate? Of course the page is outdated and could use more prominent prose summaries to accompany the disproportionately emphasized existing information (which is mostly hierarchical and tabular).<br />Now let me answer your question and pose a few more: Should a quizbowl wiki have a page about quizbowl software? Absolutely. Should such a page cover the history of quizbowl software in a single place? I think so. Should such a page also present the saddening narrative that quizbowl software past, present, and future (by extrapolation) has an incredibly poor track record of longevity? Yes. Should you improve a page if you’ve identified that it sucks, since this is a wiki? By all means. Should you maybe be less combative, or is that really the only way to get people to come together around reform? Our small, balkanized community strongly needs this centralized resource and your help in maintaining its usefulness. [[User:Ophir Lifshitz\|Ophir Lifshitz]] ([[User talk:Ophir Lifshitz\|talk]]) 23:00, 25 July 2019 (CDT)		::I assume your title didn’t intend to offend, but it still bites a bit as I spent a long time creating this page, trying to collect and centralize all known information about quizbowl software (so much of which has disappeared with little trace) and stay completely objective and trustworthy. I think that your remark is itself not accurate – how can a list of timestamped links to published archives not be accurate? Of course the page is outdated and could use more prominent prose summaries to accompany the disproportionately emphasized existing information (which is mostly hierarchical and tabular).<br />Now let me answer your question and pose a few more: Should a quizbowl wiki have a page about quizbowl software? Absolutely. Should such a page cover the history of quizbowl software in a single place? I think so. Should such a page also present the saddening narrative that quizbowl software past, present, and future (by extrapolation) has an incredibly poor track record of longevity? Yes. Should you improve a page if you’ve identified that it sucks, since this is a wiki? By all means. Should you maybe be less combative, or is that really the only way to get people to come together around reform? Our small, balkanized community strongly needs this centralized resource and your help in maintaining its usefulness. [[User:Ophir Lifshitz\|Ophir Lifshitz]] ([[User talk:Ophir Lifshitz\|talk]]) 23:00, 25 July 2019 (CDT)
		+	:::To be clear, I was complaining that the page is so outdated as to be useless. It was a good page at one point. I would be happy to help it return to that status. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 23:15, 25 July 2019 (CDT)

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	At this point, is it better to kill this page or update it? The BEeS release date is almost the only thing here that is still accurate. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 10:58, 25 July 2019 (CDT)		At this point, is it better to kill this page or update it? The BEeS release date is almost the only thing here that is still accurate. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 10:58, 25 July 2019 (CDT)
	:I think there's some useful stuff, and it's good to have some page like this. Also, the historical stuff is interesting too (at least to me). If I had time and inclination, I would create a "Defunct quizbowl software" page and move much of this page to it, and do my best to ensure this page had modern information. [[User:Jonah Greenthal\|Jonah]] ([[User talk:Jonah Greenthal\|talk]]) 17:59, 25 July 2019 (CDT)		:I think there's some useful stuff, and it's good to have some page like this. Also, the historical stuff is interesting too (at least to me). If I had time and inclination, I would create a "Defunct quizbowl software" page and move much of this page to it, and do my best to ensure this page had modern information. [[User:Jonah Greenthal\|Jonah]] ([[User talk:Jonah Greenthal\|talk]]) 17:59, 25 July 2019 (CDT)
		+	::I assume your title didn’t intend to offend, but it still bites a bit as I spent a long time creating this page, trying to collect and centralize all known information about quizbowl software (so much of which has disappeared with little trace) and stay completely objective and trustworthy. I think that your remark is itself not accurate – how can a list of timestamped links to published archives not be accurate? Of course the page is outdated and could use more prominent prose summaries to accompany the disproportionately emphasized existing information (which is mostly hierarchical and tabular).<br />Now let me answer your question and pose a few more: Should a quizbowl wiki have a page about quizbowl software? Absolutely. Should such a page cover the history of quizbowl software in a single place? I think so. Should such a page also present the saddening narrative that quizbowl software past, present, and future (by extrapolation) has an incredibly poor track record of longevity? Yes. Should you improve a page if you’ve identified that it sucks, since this is a wiki? By all means. Should you maybe be less combative, or is that really the only way to get people to come together around reform? Our small, balkanized community strongly needs this centralized resource and your help in maintaining its usefulness. [[User:Ophir Lifshitz\|Ophir Lifshitz]] ([[User talk:Ophir Lifshitz\|talk]]) 23:00, 25 July 2019 (CDT)

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	==This Page Sucks==		==This Page Sucks==
	At this point, is it better to kill this page or update it? The BEeS release date is almost the only thing here that is still accurate. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 10:58, 25 July 2019 (CDT)		At this point, is it better to kill this page or update it? The BEeS release date is almost the only thing here that is still accurate. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 10:58, 25 July 2019 (CDT)
		+	:I think there's some useful stuff, and it's good to have some page like this. Also, the historical stuff is interesting too (at least to me). If I had time and inclination, I would create a "Defunct quizbowl software" page and move much of this page to it, and do my best to ensure this page had modern information. [[User:Jonah Greenthal\|Jonah]] ([[User talk:Jonah Greenthal\|talk]]) 17:59, 25 July 2019 (CDT)

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	I appreciate the stylistic effort that went into [[:Template:Quizbowl software/Unnumbered section]], but I am reorganizing the page to use the standard section headings, which keep a consistent look on QBWiki, as well as play nicely with the table of contents. [[User:Gregory Gauthier\|Gregory Gauthier]] ([[User talk:Gregory Gauthier\|talk]]) 19:35, 28 April 2014 (PDT)		I appreciate the stylistic effort that went into [[:Template:Quizbowl software/Unnumbered section]], but I am reorganizing the page to use the standard section headings, which keep a consistent look on QBWiki, as well as play nicely with the table of contents. [[User:Gregory Gauthier\|Gregory Gauthier]] ([[User talk:Gregory Gauthier\|talk]]) 19:35, 28 April 2014 (PDT)
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		+	==This Page Sucks==
		+	At this point, is it better to kill this page or update it? The BEeS release date is almost the only thing here that is still accurate. [[User:David Reinstein\|David Reinstein]] ([[User talk:David Reinstein\|talk]]) 10:58, 25 July 2019 (CDT)

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	Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--[[User:Zachary Yan\|Zachary Yan]] ([[User talk:Zachary Yan\|talk]]) 14:35, 18 April 2014 (PDT)		Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--[[User:Zachary Yan\|Zachary Yan]] ([[User talk:Zachary Yan\|talk]]) 14:35, 18 April 2014 (PDT)
	:Sure, feel free. I agree that they are somewhat useful and do belong somewhere, but I don’t think they belong in the same place as a page dedicated to quizbowl software. [[User:Ophir Lifshitz\|Ophir Lifshitz]] ([[User talk:Ophir Lifshitz\|talk]]) 14:38, 18 April 2014 (PDT)		:Sure, feel free. I agree that they are somewhat useful and do belong somewhere, but I don’t think they belong in the same place as a page dedicated to quizbowl software. [[User:Ophir Lifshitz\|Ophir Lifshitz]] ([[User talk:Ophir Lifshitz\|talk]]) 14:38, 18 April 2014 (PDT)
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		+	== New supersection headings ==
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		+	I appreciate the stylistic effort that went into [[:Template:Quizbowl software/Unnumbered section]], but I am reorganizing the page to use the standard section headings, which keep a consistent look on QBWiki, as well as play nicely with the table of contents. [[User:Gregory Gauthier\|Gregory Gauthier]] ([[User talk:Gregory Gauthier\|talk]]) 19:35, 28 April 2014 (PDT)

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	Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--[[User:Zachary Yan\|Zachary Yan]] ([[User talk:Zachary Yan\|talk]]) 14:35, 18 April 2014 (PDT)		Um, so you deleted a number of items, albeit non-software, that are useful. Should I take this as a cue to create a new page for the study guides etc?.--[[User:Zachary Yan\|Zachary Yan]] ([[User talk:Zachary Yan\|talk]]) 14:35, 18 April 2014 (PDT)
		+	:Sure, feel free. I agree that they are somewhat useful and do belong somewhere, but I don’t think they belong in the same place as a page dedicated to quizbowl software. [[User:Ophir Lifshitz\|Ophir Lifshitz]] ([[User talk:Ophir Lifshitz\|talk]]) 14:38, 18 April 2014 (PDT)