Re: ligion

Edmund Schluessel wrote:
"One of the great
things about religious argument is that it's impossible
to do logically. Faith, including lack of faith, is
by its very nature 
contradictory to logic and
therefore cannot be argued didactically."

 You have
a definition of faith that is at base
irrationalistic. But Christianity, in its most consistent form,
holds that faith is not irrational, but rather, the
only rational position at all. God necessarily exists,
and men cannot understand anything unless they take
his existence as the ground of every fact in the
universe. To entertain arguments, on the basis of
"evidence", is already to have given the game away. For no
evidence can be properly understood by sinful human beings
who imagine at the start that the facts they
interpret have some independent existence apart from God.
This is already to be in rebellion against God. The
notion of logic or facts as not tethered in God's plan
for the universe is inherently self-contradictory.
Sinful man assumes that his logic is virtually
legislative for the universe, so only that can exist which he
can fit within his logic. At the same time, he admits
that we can say nothing whatever about the beyond,
that it is wholly unknowable. On the other hand, for
those who are not in rebellion against God, who have
ceased to set their intellects up as autonomous and
determinative of what exists, who acknowledge themselves to be
creatures of God and under his authority, every fact in the
universe points to God's existence. Those, then, who argue
against God and his Christ are like a little girl who
slaps her father in the face. She can only do this
because she is sitting on his lap.

When you say
that it is impossible to prove that God exists, you
have virtually assumed that the Christian God does not
exist. For the sort of 
God you are happy to admit is
the sort of God who can comfortably exist in the
realm of Chance -- who could "possibly" exist, whose
existence 
could be reasonably doubted by human beings.
You are obviously not thinking of the Christian God,
whose thought is determinative of what can 
possibly
exist, and whose existence cannot be reasonably doubted
by human beings. You see, the Christian God makes
prodigious claims. He 
says that he made you, and that
you are his creature and subject to his authority. He
says that you are to own up to this fact by giving him

worship and obedience. He says, in effect, that the whole
universe is his Estate, and that you are living on it. And
his Estate is posted with 
gigantic signs
indicating his ownership of it -- signs so clear that even
those who drive by at 100 miles an hour cannot help but
read them. And he 
further tells you that he has
given a self-attesting and wholly authoritative book to
humanity -- the biggest sign of all, as it were. And the
whole thing, he says, is clear. Everyone already knows
God and is without excuse, even if some, as part of
their rebellion, enjoy claiming that he does not exist.
That is why we call it "unbelief" rather than
ignorance. Those who are neutral with respect to God and his
word are already against him, he says. When Eve in
Eden entertained Satan's claim that "you will not
surely die," she was not being neutral. She was not just
thinking about rebellion. She had already set herself up
as something independent of God, capable of judging
his word by some higher standard. To be neutral is to
be God's enemy, to proclaim that he does not really
own all of you.

This means that when we reject
God's claims to tell us how to behave, sexually and
otherwise, we are in rebellion against God. When we say

that nobody can know whether God exists, since it is a
matter of "faith," we are in rebellion against God. When
we claim that the beliefs of other religions are
just as good as those of Christianity, we are in
rebellion against God.

Matt

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