Re: The Circuit

--- In quizbowl_at_y..., caz801 <no_reply_at_y...> wrote:
> Almost all invitational tournaments are too hard.  There are 
several 
> reasons for this.  One is the one-person written set, in my 
> estimation, largely an exercise by a good player to try to get even 
> better by doing all the research and legwork, but further squeezing 
> what should and should not be asked.  Another is existence of 
> tournaments such as Michigan's Kleist/Artaud, whatever you wish to 
> call it.  Please do not posit the argument that if you don't want 
to 
> play, don't show up, that's not what I'm driving at.  My point is 
> that people get the idea to write the hardest questions they can 
> find, and this directive from one of the most successful and 
> prominent programs (Michigan) permeates the circuit.  It's a 
> difficult to measure trickle-down effect, but I think it is there.

This is just wrong.  The 2001-2002 academic year was the most 
accessible year of questions (in all invitationals and formats) I've 
seen in a long time.  There are tons and tons of junior bird 
tournaments and undergrad-only events in addition to Division II in 
both NAQT and ACF.  I just can't agree with the idea that the 
questions are too hard.  If anything, I think we should stop 
mollycoddling first-year players to such a large extent.  I'm all for 
circuit expansion, but I don't think we need to treat freshmen like 
delicate babies made of butterfly wings.  (Believe it or not, we've 
actually read tough questions to our freshmen in practice and NO ONE 
HAS DIED SO FAR.)  I think there are a sufficient number of neophytes 
that have posted their views to this forum to back my claim.  Maybe 
Webb and Riser aren't representative of all new players, but it still 
shows that not all of these kids want to wear QB training wheels.

I agree that the Kleist a few years ago was too difficult -- due to 
the inexperience of its writers -- but those guys made up for it with 
the Artaud, which was at the upper end of difficulty, but not 
unreasonable by any means.  (By the way, Michigan is a prominent and 
successful program BECAUSE they write tournaments like the Artaud.  
It's not the other way around as you puport, which brings me to my 
next point...)

People who are good at this game get that way because they STUDY.  
Not because they are old.  Contrary to popular belief, you are not 
handed The Secret Manual of Quizbowl Excellence with your undergrad 
diploma.  If you don't put any effort in, you're not going to get 
better.  Shooting for a sort of QB egalitarianism by making all the 
questions easy-ass is not going to fix things.  The people who study 
are still going to blitz you on the George Washington and Richard 
Wagner questions.  Then what will you complain about?  Are you going 
to ban studying?  How can you outlaw notebooks?  Does that mean we 
won't even be allowed to practice?  Maybe we should just cancel all 
the goddamn tournaments lest someone actually learn something and use 
it to his or her advantage next time that question pops up.

The people who complain most about difficulty are the ones who put in 
the least effort at getting better.  Complainers also tend to be old 
players who are really out of touch with the circuit.  These people 
feel like they used to be good, but are bitter about the fact that 
they suck now and wish questions were easy and stupid like they were 
back in 1989.

> Competition Circuit.  Every year I've read at ACF, some older 
hangers-
> on invariably play.  It's bothersome and should be stopped.  

To my knowledge, there's only been one bastard team at an ACF 
Nationals since 1998.  Even if they do play, the website specifically 
states that masters/bastard teams MAY be eligible to play (at the 
TD's discretion), but are NOT eligible for prizes or awards and such.

> So, in conclusion, the circuit will remain, but no one seems to 
have 
> the vision to move it forward.  The qb community are largely not 

With the advent of all the junior birds, division IIs, and accessible 
questions, I have to disagree.  I think more is being done to expand 
the circuit than ever before.  That's not to say that more can't be 
done, but I think we're about to embark on a really trippy 
inflationary period.  I think it's going to be fun.

R. Bhan
(more than arrogant enough to make sweeping generalizations about the 
quality of questions on the circuit)

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