Re: Put Up or Shut Up

--- In quizbowl_at_y..., rsbhan <no_reply_at_y...> wrote:
> The more I think about the recent discussion on this forum, the 
more 
> I realize it's just a bunch of crap.  As I've stated before,
> the idea 
> that questions are too hard and the idea of the "arms race"
> in 
> question writing is false.  The proliferation of novice tournaments 
> easily defies this, as does last year's turn towards accessible 
> questions in all formats and invitationals.

Point #1..."a bunch of crap"?  Nothing particularly wrong with being 
blunt to make a point, but that sounds more like something one would 
say when rejecting a batch of concrete due to excessive slump 
content, meaning that the necessary material is unusable due to 
excessive water content.  I would hardly classify criticism of 
tournaments marketed for the "in-between/advanced" audience (that is, 
players beyond junior bird status and upward) as sufficiently devoid 
in merit to be considered as an effuluent byproduct (or whatever you 
call it in your favorite jargon).

Point #2..stop me if I'm mistaken, but isn't this ongoing debate an 
exchange of ideas, thoughts, and theories?  It seems like qualities 
such as question difficulty are still relative, because each 
tournament has a different set of players, and many common points of 
reference (i.e. bonus conversion, TU/negs, unanswered tossups) will 
obviously change as a function of the question writers, editors and 
players.  If the circuit can develop a Mohs scale of question 
difficulty, I would be impressed, although I would next expect a 
perpetual motion machine. IOW, you might think that today's quizbowl 
packets are of perfectly acceptable difficulty, but that doesn't mean 
that John Doe and Jane Q. Public are necessarily of the same mind, 
even if they have a similar level of abilities.  
 
> However, some of you are probably not convinced by the mere mention 
> of this fact and will continue with your inane babble about how the 
> circuit is about to implode unless we do something drastic, like 
kick 
> out all the grad students or let CBI write all our questions.  To 
you 
> complainers I offer this question:

One's "inanane babble" might be another's idea or suggestion, either 
as a trial balloon or as a thought.  However, as long as the exchange 
of ideas stays within normally accepted societal norms, you have much 
of a right to criticize such ideas as "inane" as I have to consider 
the idea, judge it on its merits, and then move on with my life or to 
question the status quo.
> 
> If you think the circuit is in such dire straits, what the hell are 
> you doing to fix things?

Sometimes fixing things requires more than just blood, sweat and 
tears.  A certain amount of advertising and evangelisim may be needed 
to convince others of your point of view.  I would also theorize that 
the nature of quizbowl attracts a certain number of intiuitive types 
that enjoy theorizing about systems and how to improve them. 
Sometimes, the theories are implemented, sometimes just discussed and 
set aside for other ideas.  
 
> It's so damn easy to sit back and offer us your grim vision of
> the 
> future of QB.  It's so damn easy to go on and on about how the 
> questions are too hard and how we're driving billions of young 
> players away from the game.  But this theoretical hogwash you all 
> purport carries no weight whatsoever because I don't think any of
> you 
> are making yourselves part of the solution.

It doesn't seem to hard to criticize those who claim that the emporer 
has no clothes, either.  It's a two-way street. As for Mssrs. 
Castagna and Young, both are working as advisors to existing 
programs.  I hope to help out a local program in the near future, 
provided I stay in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. As for theoretical 
hogwash carrying no weight, shouldn't criticism of such hogwash also 
fail to cut much ice?
 
> So you think the questions are too hard.  Why aren't you writing 
> easier packets for us then?  Why don't I see freelance packets by 
> Phil Castagna and Tim Young at every invitational I attend?  What 
> kind of example do you think you're setting for the young players
> who 
> are causing all the problems with the hard questions?  How come you 
> all aren't running invitationals that espouse your own personal
> QB 
> philosophies?  Do you all freelance for NAQT or ACF?

I love how you seem to subscribe to the Dr. Laura theory of quizbowl 
arguments.  I will ask this, though: if every quizbowler with a 
theory on how a tournament should be run decided to run a tournament, 
who would be left to play in the tournaments?  Somehow, I'm thinking 
that you might run out of days on the calendar.


> The fact of the matter is that this is all bullshit.  The dedicated 
> QB enthusiasts that really care about the future of the circuit 
have 
> been hard at work for at least the past year (in many cases much 
> longer) to make things better for QB in general and question 
writing 
> in particular.  Take someone like R. Hentzel.  Instead of posting 
> whiny diatribes about what he thinks is wrong with QB, he actuates 
on 
> his vision and runs NAQT the way he thinks it ought to be (in 
> conjunction with the views of NAQT's other members, of course). 
> Or 
> take someone like Kelly McKenzie.  Even before Kelly started 
editing 
> the ACF Fall Tournament for new players (the single greatest format 
> innovation in many years), the packets he gave to submission events 
> were almost always the most accessible (and certainly of very high 
> quality).  While the people mentioned above might have visions 
> different from mine, at least they're doing something to make
> their 
> beliefs manifest and that deserves more than a little respect.

Likewise, I think both your efforts at packet-writing and Mssrs. 
Young and Castagna are worthwhile in their own way. All 3 of you seem 
to care about the future of the circuit, but have different visions 
and different means of getting across your visions.  No "right way" 
may exist, although several "correct paths" are possible.  I may not 
like flying on (Insert Name Here) Airlines, but obviously enough 
people do for the company to stay in business.  However, I might fill 
out a comment card if I've had a bad experience on a/an (Insert Name 
Here) flight. 
 
> Allow me to be constructive for once and address the younger 
> generation of players (maybe some old crochety geezers will learn 
> something, too).  Quizbowl is not this static entity with one 
person 
> or a group of people in charge.  If there's something you
> don't like, 
> you have the ability to alter it to your satisfaction.  You can 
write 
> packets the way you think they should be written.  You can run 
> tournaments they way you think they should be run.  Setting an 
> example is the best way to get your message across.  You'll never
> be 
> able to convince everyone that your way is the best way, but you 
> certainly won't convince anyone if you don't act on your
> ideas.  And 
> don't forget that quizbowl is nothing more than the sum of its 
> constituents (i.e. the players).  Therefore, it is every player's 
> responsibility to try to fix the things he or she finds wrong with 
> the game.  It would benefit everyone involved if we all put a 
little 
> effort into improving the questions or whatever we find out of 
whack.

Ok, so what am I missing here?  Players are concerned about what they 
think is wrong with the circuit.  Players post on the board to 
express their concerns to a wider audience in hopes of convincing 
others to either a) follow their lead or b) speak to people with the 
time and energy to implement their ideas because those with the ideas 
have other pursuits besides quizbowl to worry about. 

Or maybe I should just hang it up now by quit moderating and trying 
to help out circuit teams because I'm not currently playing or 
attending grad school, and thus not in a logistical position to run 
tournaments or spend the balance of my leisure time writing questions 
for every single invitational on the circuit.

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