Re: [quizbowl] Trash: Age and Accessibility

Not necessarily... I was born in 1984 (supposedly not able to remember
much from the late 80s or even early 90s!) yet I remember a lot of stuff
that happened in the 88-94 timeframe and through video games I have the
edge on stuff even earlier (e.g. 80s video games)

mmailliw

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, walter_shandy wrote:

> While I welcome news of another trash tournament (even one which is
> likely too far away to attend), I would like to take issue with the
> notion of skewing questions toward more recent events in an attempt
> to bias the playing field toward younger players.  The question of
> how well-advised it is to run a tournament that advertises up front
> that it wants its questions to benefit one group or another of
> players is one for a later time; what I'm going to focus on now is
> the question of how exactly a bunch of questions on things that
> happened in the '80s benefit the undergraduate player.
>
> Take, for example, two players:
>
> -- Mark Coen, the World's Largest Gerbil -- graduated from college in
> 1991, so without access to carbon-dating, I'll assume he was born
> circa 1969.  In other words, your typical Masters Team player.
>
> -- Erik Nielsen, college senior, born in 1981.  Your typical
> undergrad.
>
> And let's give them a series of questions.  The first question is on
> something that happened in 1965.  According to your manifesto here,
> Mark would have the advantage on this question, but in actuality,
> Mark was no more born than I was at that time.  Advantage: nobody.
>
> Next up, a question on something that happened in 1982.  Mark was 13
> at the time, so it's plausible that he could have remembered it.  For
> my part, unless the question addresses the strained vegetables of the
> era, I honestly have no chance of remembering it from when it
> happened.  Advantage: Mark.
>
> And finally, a question from 1996.  I was 15, and Mark was 30 -- but,
> may I point out, Mark is a trash player.  He's probably got at least
> one eye on the progress of pop culture.  Sure, I might remember what
> was going on, but the same is true of Mark.  Advantage: meh.  Could
> be me, could be Mark -- depends on what the question's about.
>
> So basically, what I'm saying is that the theory that questions on
> the 80's are going to help undergrads is faulty.  For may part, I
> don't know a thing about crap that happened before, say, 1989, unless
> I happened to take an interest in it later -- and much of the early
> 90's is not my strong point either.  For a freshman, I'd adjust that
> time frame three years forward, and find Mark with a distinct
> advantage on everything from 1980 to 1995, and a minor disadvantage
> (if any) on things after that.
>
> I think the advantage in eras is a function of personal preference
> more than one of age.  Heck, for my part, I'd _rather_ have questions
> on things that happened before 1980.  And if I were playing in this
> tournament, I'd be worried that this skewing would create a shift
> towards the minutiae of the '80s and '90s, and I'd be left wondering
> what the hell these questions were about.
>
> I'm not sure whether the lack of questions about the cheesy pop
> music, boneheaded TV, and deservedly unwatched movies of today is in
> fact a "common complaint" among undergraduates, but if I were to
> complain, it would be that there's too much of that stuff in
> tournaments already.  I'd rather hear a tossup on Elvis Costello, the
> Yardbirds, or even the Monkees than one on Britney Spears, Def
> Leppard, or Gerardo (rico and/or suave though he might have been).
>
> Not sure whether my opinion is a minority one, or even an
> insignificant minority one, but I'm suffering from insomnia and
> thought I would get it out there anyway.
>
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