Re: [quizbowl] Region 12 results/DePauw-ND/Matt's argument

I'm dissapointed, although not altogether surprised,
to find out that my efforts at providing a detached,
logical argument were met with fallacies and insults.

> Here's an even better sports analogy:  giving the
> championship 
> outright to the team with the better overall
> preliminary record would 
> be like giving the jug of milk at Indy to the driver
> that wins the 
> pole.  On PAPER, the pole car is the fastest, so why
> even run the 
> race?

No, that would be comparable to the tournament
director deciding which team is best based on previous
events and awarding them the championship without
playing the games. I don't see how you get "On PAPER"
out of playing the round robin games. My premise here
is, in fact, in opposition to all sorts of subjective
ideas about what paper stats are more important: I am
saying that only won-loss record--not order of games,
not statistics, not the way things are done in NCAA
women's soccer--should determine the ranking of teams.

I don't see how anything I said before can be read as
an opposition to "upsets"--if Michigan and Hawaii
State each beat the rest of the field in the round
robin, and Hawaii State beats Michigan in their
matchup, then Hawaii State wins the tournament in an
"upset" and I have no problem.

> This is exactly why I am cool with Notre Dame
> winning its region 
> despite having a worse record than DePauw.  Dick
> Trickle could start 
> 43rd at Daytona, but if he passes everyone, he wins.
>  Right?

Again...yes, but if he finishes 43rd, he doesn't then
get to race one lap against the 1st place finisher for
the championship.

> I'm not sure what Matt's motivation was in making
> such full-hearted 
> gripes at CBI (maybe sour grapes?)

How mature. For the record, I've won four of the six
CBI events I've played in, as difficult as it was to
suppress my gag reflex at the questions.

Once again, here's the essence of my argument: Play
the games. Decide the winner and the ranking of the
rest of the field on the results of those games, and
not anything else.

Anyone who thinks that the above premise has something
to do with awarding Michigan the championship in every
tournament, or thinks that saying "sour grapes" to
someone constitutes a valid argument, is just plain
wrong.

--M.W.

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