Re: A Very Important Question that I need answered...

ltcoldubois <*no_reply_at_yahoogroups.com*> · Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:14:09 -0000

I don't speak for either any organization.  However, from looking at 
NAQT's eligibility rules for D2 (http://www.naqt.com/division-
ii.html) it would seem to me any of your players could play in naqt 
events in d2 for 3 years.  Non-NAQT events seem irrelvant in your 
case.  (A player who competed in NAQT events before attending your 
school would have used up some or all of his d2 eligibility, but that 
doesn't seem to be a major concern of yours).

The case doesn't seem as clear cut for ACF, but as it applies 
basically to your status at the ACF Fall Tournament (having or not 
having to write a packet, being eligible for "new team" awards).  
Personally I think ACF should be generous in your case (or stricter 
in their definition of college competition) and I applaud any 2-year 
school's desire to play in ACF events.

As for any invitational that happens to divide teams into divisions 
based on experience, it would be up to the tournament director.  
Although I think most TDs on the circuit would be happy to put your 
teams in D2, but again I really don't have any say in the matter.

Paul Tomlinson
resident dinosaur of Iowa State University
speaking for no one but himself

--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, "quizbowllee2 <scholarsbowl_at_h...>" 
<scholarsbowl_at_h...> wrote:
> 
> 
>  OK - For those of you who don't know, I'm Lee Henry of Athens 
> State University (Athens, ALABAMA - not Georgia).  This is our 
first 
> year to have a team and we've enjoyed relative success in Div. II. 
> 
> Now to my complex conundrum - 
> 
> 1) Most tournaments limit Division II eligibility to players in 
> their first 2 years of "Intercollegiate Competition" (such as 
> Charlie's post about Moon Pie).  However, it is also stated that 
CBI 
> experience does not count because it is so far-removed from the 
> ACF/NAQT level.  My question is: Does Community College experience 
> count?  I did play 2 years at Snead State CC in Alabama.  However, 
> we played only other Community College teams within our own state. 
> We only played out-of-state teams at a Berry Invitational and at a 
> CBI - sponsored event in Florida.  The questions used in our 
> Community College league were no where near the caliber used in the 
> 4-year tournaments that we have gone to this year.  I personally 
> think that Community and/or Jr. College experience is even more 
> drastically different from ACF/NAQT than CBI is, and I don't 
believe 
> it should count towards Div. II eligibility. 
> 
> 2) Athens State is a VERY rare university.  We ARE in fact a 2-YEAR 
> SCHOOL.  However, unlike Community Colleges, we are a Jr/Sr 
> institution.  This greatly reduces our recruitment chances because, 
> unlike 4-year colleges, we cannot recruit players out of High 
> School, but only from Alabama Community Colleges (which is another 
> factor that affects my question). 
> 
> Basically I need to know what division we will be able to play in 
> next year.  If Community College experience DOES count, then Athens 
> State will forever be highly-handicapped in that we will never be 
> able to field a Div. II team - because all of our players come from 
> Alabama Community Colleges.  I really don't think that any player 
> from an Alabama CC is ready to step right into Div. I.  I hope that 
> this is an issue that can be discussed and resolved universally... 
> IE - I'd like to hear opinions from ACF and NAQt representatives as 
> well as invitational coordinators... If it is decided that CC 
> experience does count, then we will go ahead and play in Div. I at 
> Moon Pie... Obviously, I don't think that Athens State is ready to 
> play in Div. I... But I want to abide by the rules.  Thanks. 
> 
> -Lee Henry 
> Athens State University