Re: Shakespeare tossup example for Joon

Okay, I'll try my hand here.

--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, thefool75 <no_reply_at_y...> wrote:
> This man's love life was depicted fictionally in the novel Nothing 
> Like the Sun, by Anthony Burgess.

Three problems here:

1) The line "nothing like the sun", from Sonnet 130, is too well-
known to appear in a lead-in.
2) I haven't read Burgess' novel, but I'm fairly sure it concerns the 
love lives of a number of Elizabethan authors and such; while 
Shakespeare may be the protagonist, the clue isn't uniquely 
identifying.
3) I don't appreciate the fact that the first clue in the Shakespeare 
TU is actually a clue on Anthony Burgess.

> His first publications, The 
> Passionate Pilgrim and A Lover's Complaint, were issued without his 
> consent.  

1) "The Passionate Pilgrim" was indeed published (in 1599) in an 
unauthorized edition under Shakespeare's name, but to describe it as 
a Shakespearean work is inaccurate.  It was, in fact, an assortment 
of poems, about half of which were by Shakespeare.  
2) "A Lover's Complaint"'s first publication was in 1609, with the 
Sonnets.  
3) The first Shakespearean works to be published were in fact his 
poems "Venus and Adonis" and "The Rape of Lucrece", in 1593-94.  
Several of his plays had been published by 1599.
4) The phrase "issued without his consent" suggests that there was 
something unusual about this fact.  Unauthorized publication, 
especially of plays but also of poems, was rampant in Renaissance 
England.  This makes that clause basically useless as a clue.
5) Furthermore, "first published works" is a largely unimportant 
distinction, due to the prevalence of privately-copied manuscripts at 
the time.  For example, the Sonnets were first published in 1609, but 
comments by Francis Meres and others indicate that they were in 
circulation more than a decade before that.  

He apparently wrote three pages for a collaborative play, 
> Sir Thomas More, but a Don Quixote based collaboration, Cardenio, 
is 
> completely lost.

A minor quibble: A minority opinion (first voiced by Charles 
Hamilton) suggests that the anonymous "Second Maiden's Tragedy" is 
actually Shakespeare and Fletcher's "Cardenio".  Hamilton's belief is 
not widely accepted -- the play is more widely credited to Thomas 
Middleton -- but "completely lost" may be somewhat too strong a 
phrase.

> FTP, name this author who also worked with John 
> Fletcher on the Two Noble Kinsmen.

...so why aren't there more questions on Thomas Middleton, anyway?

--ECN

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