Re: Quizbowl Circuit Participation and Fundamentals

I think Ross raises some important points, many of which have
specific relevance to the west coast and some of which may be
interesting to the rest of the country.  I'll respond and
elaborate on those I find particularly important (so as to keep this
somewhere short of gargantuan).

> While not having seen the composition of every club at every school 
> on the West Coast this year, it seems to me that again the
strongest 
> clubs in terms of ability to reasonably compete in a national 
> tournament reside in the 650 and 510 area codes. I am uncertain as
to 
> the strength of the CalTech club but with the recent departure of 
> nearly 100% of graduate students I'd say it is in question.
Similarly 
> with UCLA, a club which has plenty of up and coming undergraduate 
> talent (Matthew and Charles) and at least one experienced graduate 
> student (Steve). After a few years of absence it's nice to see
signs 
> of life at USC. UC Irvine, HELLO, where are you? After a few years
of 
> activity at Scripps and Harvey Mudd that duo has gone into hiding.
I 
> know of at least 2 bay area students who now go to Pomona college 
> (also part of the Claremont Colleges) and were active participants
in 
> the Bay Area High School circuit. There was hope that someone would 
> poke their head above water at UCSD but that's still waiting to 
> happen. I hope someone from UC Davis reads this because you guys 
> really suck for going to one tournament and then playing CBI only. 
> Not to mention the 0 penetration Quiz Bowl has with the 23 campus 
> CalState system, the founding campus (SJSU) within stone's throw of 
> Stanford.
> 
The strength of the west coast circuit is indeed in the north.  That
being said, I see no reason to call out programs publicly, such as
the comments made about Irvine and especially Davis in the third
paragraph of Ross's post.  If the goal here is to increase
participation I can't imagine this will achieve it.  Also, Ross
is plain wrong on the state system comment as Fresno State was active
last season.

> To further that thought, I'd also like to mention something I don't 
> feel certain clubs may understand about quizbowl. We are actively 
> funding each other's ability to participate in the circuit. 

Ross's reciprocity argument is a powerful one.  In west coast
terms this boils down to Northern California teams (especially
Berkeley) regularly sending multiple teams to Southern California
tournaments and then having trouble getting a critical mass of teams
in order to hold solid tournaments up north.  I have some opinions as
to why this occurs but its not particularly germane to the point
being made.  Basically I agree its bad form to hold college
tournaments and then not reinvest the proceeds into attending other
tournaments within the region.  That practice is a sure way to kill a
circuit.  

Ross then goes on to additional bashing of the Irvine club without
making clear that his polemic is directed at them.  I don't
really believe that will serve to build region wide consensus and
harmony and thus I will refrain from commenting further than to say
that tournaments should be well run.

Ross follows with questions about the effect of the proliferation of
NAQT junior bird tournaments on the college circuit.  I would suggest
anyone interested in a fairly good discussion of this very topic take
a look at hsquizbowl.org under "Collegiate Qui
zbowl"-"Discussion".  My feeling is that these central
source tournaments are good for new players, or players who like easy
tournaments, but they are not a very good substitute for an ACFish
packet submission tournament.  There should be room for both
varieties, but I fear on the west coast there may not.  The fact that
people don't have to write questions for NAQT JBs doesn't
bother me at all, since there should be room in the game for casual
players, as well as for small teams that don't have the capacity
to write and edit their own questions at a high quality level.
 
> I also believe that if ends like this are to be achieved, it would
be 
> beneficial to a circuit to have some sort of meeting to coordinate 
> goals and expectations. 

To echo Ross's general sentiment, I think the west coast circuit
is a disaster right now.  In 2003, ACF regionals had seven
teams—three Berkeley, three Stanford, and one from southern
California.  That's alarming.  Stanford held a mirror of Wildcat.
 It drew six teams—three Berkeley, one Stanford, and two from
southern California (including one team that averaged 11.5 points per
game).  That's alarming.  Stanford held a FUCT mirror.  It had
four teams.  Stanford held a Buzzerfest mirror, it drew five
teams—three Berkeley, one Stanford.  USC announced Ghetto Warz a
few months back and had to cancel due to lack of teams.  Berkeley is
hosting WIT in a few weeks, and I gather they have very few confirmed
participants.  This is a problem.

People are doing two things out here.  First, they are not traveling
to tournaments.  Second, they are not bothering to gauge interest
before announcing new tournaments.  This leads to very poorly
attended tournaments that wind up draining the funds of those teams
that do travel, without delivering a satisfying tournament in return.
 Something does need to be done about this, and I commend Ross for
suggesting some sort of meeting of the minds among various club
leaders in the west.  For lack of a better idea, I suggest that
anyone on this coast, or anywhere else if you're especially
interested, who wants to work on this send me an e-mail at this yahoo
address.  I'll try to get an e-mail list going of interested
people.

Steve Kaplan
despite the handle, of UCLA
berkeleykaplan at yahoo.com

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