Re: Quick ISU Fall comments and Pronunciation Guides

you wrote:

the lack of guides is also frustrating because it often
makes reading the question roughly analogous to navigating a 
minefield in which you know there are exactly 237 mines but you 
don't have any idea WHERE THEY ARE. Not to mention the fact that you 
know that you have up to eight players feeling like you would if you 
had to listen to your verbal butchery. 

        Actually, I need feedback on this topic enough to justify 
posting-- I have often been criticized for writing questions like 
this, usually as a consequence of 1: writing "world focus" questions 
(by that I mean geography, lit, mythology, and especially history 
from what some qb players critically refer to as "the left field" or 
enjoy as "other parts of the world,") and 2: needing to come up with 
abundant clues that lead a player to the answer on such a topic (in 
other words, to avoid using "filler." I hitherto have not provided 
pronunciation guides for the following reasons, 1: they often cause 
moderators to stumble even more while they encounter the hard-to-
pronounce word, skip the word, and then gather breath to pronounce 
whatever is in the guide, and thus, they cause awkward pauses before 
rather important clues, 2: they restrict pronunciations to a single 
one, when there are in fact multiple, equally valid pronunciations 
(not just in answers, though this is especially valid with nouns 
that happen to have been introduced to our culture via a succession 
of several others), and 3: I might not know, as a question writer 
who learns more from reading than from taking notes as a professor 
speaks, how to pronounce it myself, nor where to find acceptable 
guides. (This is one reason why I sometimes volunteer to read my own 
packets--it's painful to see moderators stumble so much, and perhaps 
cause mistakes, premature negs, or even outright wrong answers 
because something didn't come out right). 
       The best solution I have ever seen to this problem happened 
at Michigan's MLK tournament, where long and hard to pronounce words 
had their syllables separated by dashes (for instance, Chal-chih-uit-
li-cue). (Also, anyone remember the Pow-ha-tan question from COTKU?) 
This approach allows the moderator to plough through the word, one 
syllable at a time, without stumbling or pausing too much by 
realizing they've got to look for a guide somewhere else in the 
question. Another approach has been to spell the word phonetically, 
but that can also cause less experienced moderators to pause while 
they try to figure out what is going on. It would work though, it 
seems, with languages like Gaelic or French, that don't necessarily 
have long words, but that are filled with superfluous letters (I'm 
told the actual pronunciation for "Caidheargh," a place name, is 
something like /kar/).  

you wrote earlier:

At the same time, I do not appreciate being penalized for correct 
pronunciation of words from languages that I DO know, which happened 
to me more a few times and happened to teams we were playing against 
a few times as well (to the point where our team was actually 
arguing with the moderator that our opponents' pronunciation was 
correct and that they should get the points). 

I'd attribute this more to moderator error. Moderators should give a 
small amount of leeway on the vowels if all the consonants come out 
in the right order, and people also need to understand that 
transliteration is also sometimes imperfect (the guy who ends up 
killing the Fenris Wolf is named Vidarr, but the d in the center is 
actually an aeth (sic), so an answer "Vitharr" should also be 
acceptable. Ditto for Njor(d=th) = Njorth or Njord. Accept 'em both. 
I'm sick of arguing with moderators about that as well.

"Albert CA-muss".

Yeah, that makes me wince too, but unless there's another writer out 
there with that pronunciation, I'd accept it, since I don't think 
it's fair to penalize people for learning their facts via books.

Any feedback is appreciated.

--Wesley (at IU)

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