What's wrong with repeats?

Hi everyone,

I attended Penn Bowl this weekend as a moderator and must say that I 
enjoyed myself immensely, even though this was the first Penn Bowl 
where I had moderated as opposed to playing.  As a moderator, I did 
notice a number of questions that were repeated (though the 2nd St. 
Kitts questions was cut before we even started, so most of those 
playing on the East coast didn't know about this one) and heard 
people griping about repeats on a fairly regular basis.

My question therefore is, what's the matter with repeats?  This is 
particularly aimed at repeats that don't share any new information 
between the two.  The way I see it, there are several places where 
repeats should not be a problem.  The examples below may be very 
primitive, but it applies to just about any subject.

1. A creator is used with his/her creation and then the creation 
comes up separately.

Let's take Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn as an example here.  Let's 
say there's a tossup on Mark Twain that ends with, "FTP, name this 
author of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn."  Then, a few packets 
later there's a tossup or bonus part where the answer is Huckleberry 
Finn.  I see no problem with that as hearing the first question and 
knowing that Mark Twain wrote it does not constitute knowledge of 
the book and vice versa.  Even if a supposed tossup on Huckleberry 
Finn ended "FTP, name this novel by Mark Twain" that doesn't mean 
that it should be considered a repeat.  As most people know, Mark 
Twain wrote a number of novels and this is not a specific giveaway.  
I suppose that this would not be true for some select authors (say, 
Harper Lee), but I don't think that teams should be griping about 
this as a repeat.

2. The same answer is used for more than one tossup or bonus part.

For this example, let's use George W. Bush.  There are a lot of 
tossups, bonuses, bonus parts, etc. that could be written about 
George W. Bush.  One could use characterizations made about him by 
others in the press, his history as an oil man in Texas, his time as 
the owner of the Texas Rangers, what happened in Texas when he was 
governer, etc.  I see no problem with multiple packets containing 
multiple tossups on George W. Bush as long as NO SPECIFIC CLUE IS 
REPEATED.  Thus, if a tournament director wants to include two 
different tossups on President Bush than I don't see a problem with 
that as long as the information is different in each tossup.  Even 
more than tossups, this applies to bonus parts where Bush might be 
an answer, and then a separate tossup.  For most subjects there is 
enough information to write at least a tossup and a bonus part (and 
if not, perhaps we shouldn't be asking about them) with different 
information and which can both be used in the same tournament.


To be sure, I am not advocating a tournament where Mark Twain and 
George W. Bush questions come up every round (aside from being 
tedious, it would also tend to minimize the benefit of learning new 
things on many subjects).  I am also not saying that all of Penn 
Bowl's repeats fit in these categories (as there were a few 
legitimately repeated clues), but a number of the ones I heard 
complained about did fit my above categories.  When I noticed a 
repeat using alike clues came up, I removed the question from 
competition, as I think should be done and should try to be avoided 
in the editing process.  And I am aware, having edited tournaments 
previously, that removing repeats can be difficult, no matter how 
hard you try.  But I am saying that if a subject comes up more than 
once in a tournament and no competitive advantage is gained from 
having heard the previous question in the same tournament, then I 
don't see where the problem is.  

Michael Philpy
Internal Director, Michigan Academic Competitions (though not 
speaking for Michigan, MAC, or anyone else but myself)

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