Re: Ken from Utah, the 18-time Jeopardy champion......

--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, grapesmoker <no_reply_at_y...> wrote:
> 
> To everyone: I would like people to keep one thing in mind whenever
> they read about format wars. ACF is a philosophy of question 
writing;
> it is not a canon that consists of obscurata. The whole idea behind
> ACF-style questions is that they should be well-written, in the 
sense
> that they should be academic, pyramidal, use interesting and 
relevant
> clues, and be factually correct. ACF says nothing at all about the
> topics of the questions themselves, and I think Michael Adelman's
> assertion that schools don't play on ACF packets because the packets
> are hard has been disproven by statistical analysis to a sufficient
> enough extent that I don't need to reiterate it. It is far more 
likely
> that schools are scared away from perfectly legitimate and 
accessible
> questions written in the ACF style because of such claims. Back when
> Berkeley was still running high-school tournaments, we were feeding
> those kids ACF-type questions all the time and no one ever 
complained,
> perhaps because they didn't have a negative stereotype and a
> convenient nickname to attach to the format.

Everything that I've said about why people don't play ACF is based on 
my own observations from playing in ACF and ACF-style tournaments, 
watching people play in ACF and ACF-style tournaments, and talking to 
people about playing in ACF and ACF-style tournaments, and a majority 
of the people that I have observed in that way do not particularly 
like the format, the main reason being that they feel that the 
questions are too hard and the answers too obscure.  I'm not 
parroting what people said ten years ago; I was twelve at the time 
and have no clue what people said about ACF at the time.  What I have 
done is tried to give my own opinions and observations in the hopes 
that people might finally take people seriously when they say that 
they don't play these formats because of their difficulty.  This is 
not the only reason people don't play (others include being turned 
off by the packet-submission nature of the tournament, and wanting to 
go to tournaments that aren't as strictly academic in nature), but it 
is the one that I hear the most often.  You say that people likely 
don't play because of anti-ACF rhetoric on the message boards, but I 
have never, never met anyone who cites that as a reason for not 
playing, and I would be interested in hearing if you have.  I can't 
tell you how frustrating it is as someone who has run a club to see 
people walk away from these tournaments completely discouraged and 
turned off with quizbowl, since they had only heard of a handful of 
answers the whole day--something I don't see after tournaments that 
aren't either ACF or ACF-style--and then have to listen to people say 
that no one really thinks that the questions are too hard, they're 
just turned off from it because a couple of people spread negative 
propaganda about it on the internet.

I don't think you give quizbowl players enough credit; most of us are 
fairly intelligent people who can make informed decisions on our 
own.  We don't just blindly listen to the first thing we see on these 
boards.  Besides, there are more than enough people who defend ACF 
when someone criticizes it (may I point out that right now there have 
been four people saying that it isn't too hard and two saying that it 
is), so I don't really understand why it is that people would only 
listen to one side and not the other; it doesn't make sense.  
Basically, I think more people make decisions on their own than you 
think.

Having said that, I would encourage anyone who has not played in an 
ACF or ACF-style tournament before but is considering it, not to 
listen to anyone on this board, positive or negative, when making 
your decision.  ACF does an excellent job of making their packets 
available on their website; I would encourage you to check them out 
and see if you think that the questions are for you.  Many people 
don't like them, but many other people do; you never know which camp 
you'll fall into unless you try it.

Michael Adelman

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