Re: FAMU wins HCASC!


I think Kenny is right on the money here, and I can add some info 
from my own experience and contact with quizbowl teams from HBCUs.  

I've never had the pleasure of attending the HCASC myself, but from 
what I hear, it's quite a positive experience for those involved.  
When the rules prohibited crossover competition in other tournaments, 
I had an issue with that.  But happily that issue has been resolved 
and HBCU's can compete in NAQT, ACF, and independent tournaments.  

Overwhelmingly, the HBCU coaches tell me, the biggest barrier to 
their participation in quizbowl is money, same as it is for many 
other schools.  Quizbowl has never been a well-funded priority for 
most universities.  Thanks in large part to the overall financial 
straits of higher education, especially publicly funded schools, it's 
gotten worse in the past year or two. (For that matter, UTC's own 
funding was eliminated for this year, because there was an 
administrative change and our request was never received by the new 
dean.  We're trying to get it restored for '05-'06, but there's no 
guarantee.)  Historically black colleges are also historically 
underfunded colleges, so they have more financial limitations than 
the average college.

In the past 5 years UTC has had teams from six different HBCU's 
compete in our academic and/or trash tournaments.  Their performance 
has been comparable to other teams new to the circuit.  Morehouse, 
which has come the most often, has also fared the best; they clearly 
had game the first time we saw them, and then they improved with 
experience.  

I would love to see corporate America offer more opportunities and 
sponsor tournaments with a wider base of teams, but I have no problem 
with what Honda does and am glad the HBCU's have the opportunity they 
do.  It's not easy shaking money out of the corporate tree.  Heck, I 
feel like UTC does well to get an annual in-kind marshmallowy 
donation from Chattanooga Bakery for the Moon Pie (TM) Classic.

In the meantime, if you want to see a more diverse circuit, see more 
HBCU's competing in other tournaments, then instead of raining on 
someone else's parade, how about inviting the marchers to come to 
yours too?



--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, Kenny Peskin <kenneth_peskin_at_y...> 
wrote:
> I'm not going to get into the "preconceptions involved" with 
HCASC.  Except to say that competitions among HBCUs and HBCU students 
are commonplace in many fields (athletics, artistic, performance).  
Within a world that has a Coca-Cola black college golf championship 
(that sponsored by Coca-Cola) and a Bayou Classic and Dodge SWAC 
Football Championship game (both preclude participation in NCAA 1-AA 
playoffs), HCASC is not the exception to an otherwise fully 
integrated universe.  
>  
> The HCASC is "a relic of the earlier days" of the 1980's.  It 
existed then, as it does today, because it has a corporate sponsor 
willing to underwrite the significant costs of the competition.  If 
any other quiz format in college or HS was viewed as a desirable 
corporate sponsorship opportunity, as General Electric, Panasonic, 
and Texaco once believed, then IMHO similar tournaments and 
championships would currently exist. 
>  
> Furthermore, I don't think anyone today (or even in the past) 
thinks that the HBCU students are unable to compete with other 
students.  I believe that CBCI and Honda felt that the HBCUs 
themselves could not (or would not) be able to fund quiz programs 
with the financial resources required to compete in (then) College 
Bowl and (later) circuit tournaments.  Perhaps a few could, but not 
the 60+ that participate in HCASC.  This distinction between the 
institutions and the individual students is crucial and should not be 
confused.
>  
> 
> oilbaronsball <no_reply_at_yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> However, I do have a problem with some of the preconceptions 
involved
> with this tournament.  The biggest one is that people who attend 
HBCUs
> are not capable of competing at the same level as those people at
> ordinary colleges and universities.  Has it been proven that this is
> the case?  Or is the Honda competition a relic of the earlier days 
of
> CBI (1950s and 1960s) when discrimination against people based on 
the
> color of their skin was widespread and socially acceptable?  Relics
> have a way of disappearing when they have outlived their 
usefulness. 
> For example, Radcliffe College has been integrated into Harvard
> University, and the Negro Leagues disappeared 15 years after Major
> League Baseball opened the doors to black players.  Those of you who
> would point out that the Honda competition is an example of 
diversity
> may have to help me out, because that tournament does not look very
> diverse to me.
> 
> 
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