Re: The Facts of WeyounClone666 (part 2)

>>For those who asked questions and were
given incorrect answers or no answer at all, and for
those denied the ability to vote for lack of supplies,
is there no remedy under Florida law? (I am asking
here, not trying to extract a particular answer)



Nathan's Response:

Ok. Let's assume that all of the
above is true. I have a two-part answer. First,
pragmatically speaking, this sort of thing happened all over
the country, not just Palm Beach County. It happens
in every election, they're simply usually not close
enough to matter. But imagine invalidating the results
from hundreds or thousands of precincts around the
country. From a realist perspective I don't see it
happening..but the Republicans will rightfully cry foul if it
just happens in Palm Beach County. (A quick perusal of
newspaper websites from around the country found numerous
such examples. Just look, you don't have to take my
word for it.)
Second, from a legal perspective, to
invalidate an election requires a very high standard to be
met. Assuming that it is met under Florida law (which
the precedent so far indicates it won't be...and I
just finished speaking with five law students who are
feverishly working for a law prof working with the Gore
campaign--this law school is roped right in with them here in
Florida)--which I suppose could happen from a very cynical
mindset--five of 7 Florida Supreme Court Justices are reliably
Democrat or so I was told privately by someone working
with the Gore campaign...there would almost certainly
be a constitutional challenge to any recount based
on the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Palm Beach
County voters would have an advantage over other
voters). Nevertheless, the real point here is that
precedent indicates that even significant negligence on the
part of county officials within a state election does
not give rise to overturning the result. Even on a
screwed up ballot. Why? Voters are entitled to relief
from incompetent election officials--you can force a
change in procedures before the next election. But to
use the cliche: two wrongs don't make a right. Heck,
in Boston, they failed to count 30,000 votes
(today's Boston Globe), in New Mexico they lost at least
250 or so (today's CNN), the poll closing time fiasco
in St. Louis etc. So long as we have a variety of
voting methods and human beings assisting in the polls,
there will be error...how much error is acceptable is a
question, as is what to do about it. However, there is an
extremely strong legal presumption in assuming that
elections were fair and errors "normal" and that voters
were intelligent. Why? There are potential legitimate
challenges in any close election. For courts to continuously
choose the winner arguably is an usurpation of power and
courts have generally been extremely reluctant to
invalidate elections on the basis of anything other than
widespread fraud. It would probably take a ballot missing a
major candidate's name or the actual loss of a huge
amount of votes for a vote to be invalidated on anything
other than criminal grounds. Put it this way, one of
the precedents the Gore team is relying on concerns a
dirty Miami mayoral election where some absentee
ballots were crooked. The circuit court ordered a new
election. The Court of Appeals reversed and simply threw
out all the absentee ballots. No one who cast an
absentee ballot got a vote or had their "voice heard in
the electoral process." Basically, the court said,
too bad, it's the best we can do. You can't have
perfect justice...in order to ensure the most amount of
justice in the long run, you have to have consistency in
the law, sometimes that causes injustice in the short
run. How much in this case? I have no clue. However,
2nd graders were able to figure out a ballot like
this (see today's Slate). 

Nathan Freeburg.

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