Re: Philosophically Different

Ok, before we get our panties in a ruffle and
this degenerates into flaming...

I was one of
the head editors on the Kleist (having written about
1/4 of the tournament), and also a partial editor on
the MLK. Maybe this is all my fault ;) But for a
moment, allow me to retort.

I will be the first
person to admit that the Kleist was too hard. However,
that being said, I think people feel that this was
some sort of conspiracy, that we wanted to dick over
weaker teams. However, let me assure you, that it was
our fault due to our inexperience as editors that the
questions came out that way. I have since learned that
lesson, and when we put on Kleist 2, I can assure you the
questions will be much more reasonable. So lets stop
badmouthing the Kleist, shall we? And furthermore, the very
fact that we have so many younger people who helped
edit and write the Kleist and MLK is precisely what
makes our team have any depth. 

Now, that having
been said, let me speak for a moment about PennBowl,
providing examples of two tossups (not verbatim), that I
heard at the tournament:
"His early works, Sun Stone
and Moon Stone..blah blah blah Salamandra...blah blah
blah resigned as ambassador to India..." (Octavio
Paz)
"Elected by the Everyman's library as the top novel of the
20th century..." (Ulysses)
Most people will agree
that the idea of the pyramidal structure (remember
that?) is to reward more knowledge earlier. Now, having
taken an entire seminar on Joyce, I can assure you that
this Ulysses tossup does not reward knowledge. Even if
I had gotten the tossup (Emily, on my team beat me
to it...too fast for me), I would not have been
happy because the tossup did not reward knowledge about
the book. The Paz tossup, by contrast, I feel was a
good tossup. Notice the word feel. Yes, its
subjective. Fine. But its ridiculous to hide behind
subjectivity as an excuse. My complaint is not with the
difficulty of the answers, but the difficulty fo the
questions. Pennbowl is supposed to be a faster tournament
which is accessible. My complaint is with two aspects
of the tournament:
A) Questions did not follow
pyramidal structure.
(You might think that the Ulysses
tossup had a legit leadin, but if you figure out
statistically how many people know it, youd most likely find it
wasnt legit. In fact, not to go off on a big tangent,
but I think that a leadin is legit to a degree
inversely proportional to the amount of people playing on
the circuit know it...) So, people who study for
quizbowl like myself did not feel that knowledge was
rewarded. But studying aside, lets say a weaker team had a
team member who had read Ulysses. Wouldn't they also
be upset if they gotten beaten to the tossup that
should have started "One of its chapters has a talking
bar of soap..."
B)Its not clear that packets
followed distribution. Now, I'm not entirely sure about
this, I'd have to comb through the packets to know for
sure, but this is what I suspect. I'm going to take
Michigan's packet (which I helped write) as a paradigmatic
example. In the first 12 TUs, there was no lit. In the
first 20 tossups, there were 2 lit tossups. It seems to
me like each of the big three (Science, Lit,
History) should come up at least 4 times in the first 20
questions, especially if we only get to hear 20 over a
round.

So thats about all I have to say about this
tournament. I agree with Goss that there should be a balance,
but just because the better teams might have won out
at Pennbowl, does not mean that Pennbowl was a
epitome of a good tournament.

Paul Litvak
(plitvak_at_...)

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