Re: Ivy League Schools

"As always, my opinion does not necessarily
reflect those of the rest of my team or its alumni,
although I'd be interested to hear what Tim Young has to
say on this topic..."

Very well, Mike.


I have run QB organizations at two very different
campuses, Dartmouth and GWU. Naturally, the challenges I
faced at each institution differed markedly. Both are
fine schools that have long traditions of having AC
programs. 
 
In my four years at Dartmouth, we
produced a fair number of good players, and I had large
numbers of quality teammates ready to go to tournaments,
which is something I frequently struggled to find at
GW. 
However, Dartmouth is significantly smaller
than any other Ivy school in total enrollment, and has
few grad students (the Dartmouth team, AFAIK, has
never had any.) I would guess that, as a rule, the
Ivies have a higher percentage of students who wouldn't
embarass themselves at QB than other colleges (same goes
for the Ivy peer schools like Chicago and Stanford).


The toughest part of keeping Dartmouth College Bowl
afloat was money. Dartmouth was largely unable to raise
its own money by running tournaments, mostly due to
geographic isolation (2 hrs to the closest tournament, the
closest major airport, and the closest regular AC
program) There is also very little HS quizbowl in northern
New England compared with the DC metro area or parts
of the South, an avenue used by most DC-area circuit
teams. Further, every event was a substantial
commitment, everything not in Boston was an overnight stay,
and air travel was out of the question. 

And
yet the isolation was helpful in a way to us. As one
can imagine, there was very little, the
administration's best efforts notwithstanding, to do at Dartmouth
that doesn't involve fraternity basements, bad beer,
or both. Since not everyone there wanted to be part
of that culture (at least not every weekend), seldom
did we struggle to find four people willing to take a
road trip. This has got to be part of the reason
Dartmouth is able to send three squads to a tournament over
7 hours away (Penn Bowl) every year. OTOH, at GW,
there are lots of other things to do in the area, on
and off campus. This availability of social options
makes travelling to somewhere like Penn State or
Princeton or to a tournament with a perceived low "fun
level" (e.g. Terrapin) a tough sell for
students.

A lot of this doesn't apply to other Ivies (except
Cornell to some degree). Each has their own idiosyncratic
set of factors plus and minus. If I had to list the
general advantages, I would submit 
1. A higher
percentage of people who would make good QB players if so
inclined. 
2. A bigger student activities endowment than
most schools, which means that an AC program is more
likely to be better funded. (Every tution hike and at GW
causes controversy, and budget cuts happen ; budget cuts
at Dartmouth are laregly unheard of and few on
campus pay attention to tutition hikes.)
3. A general
focus on liberal arts majors, a set of disciplines more
likely to produce QB players. (Dartmouth doesn't
generally have career-centered majors like marketing or
journalism and has comparatively few engineers/hard science
types)
4. A set of students less likely to need to work
their way through part of school, either due to coming
from means or from big scholarship money. 
(Nothing
kills a QB career faster than a job that requires you
to spend your weekends working.) 


-Tim
Young
President Emeritus, Dartmouth College Bowl

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