Re: Very brief D2K1 comments

Mike Burger wrote:
"That's why trash is known
as "Popular Culture". Hard core sci-fi is not
"Popular Culture". Dungeons and Dragons is not "Popular
Culture". Mainstream sports are "Popular Culture".
"

(I'll ignore the fact that many of the books on the NY
Times bestseller list are science fiction, sometimes
pretty highly regarded by the "hardcore"
types....)

It's interesting that trash has evolved this way.
IIRC, the first few trash tournaments I went to
virtually mandated questions on D&D, sci-fi and the like.
Now they're anathema.

I disagree that the
"dictionary definition" of trash is pop culture. Originally,
trash was anything the hardcore/purist AC types would
bitch about for putting in an academic packet. So trash
is something with virtually nil academic value;
there's some pop culture -- movies, jazz -- that have
considerably more academic value than role-playing games or
other "geek trash".

However, I agree with Mike
that trash has pretty much become mainstream pop
culture. Part of it is the changing demographics of
quizbowl -- when trash was young, the quizbowl community
was considerably more "male geek" than it is now.
(People who think there are a lot of us now would be
astonished/repulsed ten years ago.) As the demographics have shifted,
trash went from being (partially, at least) an
affirmation of geek culture to a wholehearted affirmation of
"pop culture." 

I lament the loss, but it comes
down to the interests of the players. If there's
enough interest in geek trash and other categories that
have been homogenized out in recent years, it will
either resurge or split off into a different tournament
format. (Yay, market dynamics.) But I thought you'd like
to know that you were not such a beleaguered
minority at the beginning of this wacky trash
thing.

phil
Interested in whether Mike would call obscure music trash,
since some of it has considerably less of a following
than SF or D&D. That would make much of the All-Music
Guide's Rock, Rap and Country categories not "popular
culture". :)

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