I think Phil has a point about some sort of centralized body. At least the discussion should take place. If you consider other sports/contests/games that get played at a national level, there is some sort of organization structure. One could argue for NAQT, CBI, or ACF being that organization, but the first two are for-profit privately held organizations. Some non-profit organization run/owned by its membership (players or schools) is probably better. I don't believe that it needs to be run by people universally acclaimed, we are not seeking George Washington, just people who are reasonably competent and put the good of quizbowl before themselves when serving. Why organization? ------------------------- It can help the circuit grow -- promotional materials, tools for running tournaments, etc. -- group discounts (buzzers etc.) -- legitimacy (Colleges will respond better to funding a team to an official National Quizbowl Qualifying Meet than to _____ insert silly tournament name here). All schools should get the kind of dollars the U of Chicago and a few others get, not scraping by on the pittance earned from hosting a standard invitational. -- institutional memory -- television and/or sponsorship (500 channels and no collegiate quiz bowl - this is pathetic in its way) -- governance (sanctions etc. for cheating) It can help organize packet swaps and schedules It can legitimize participating invitational tournaments -- e.g. Winners of sanctioned invitationals get a birth in a National Championship. ... Why disorganization? ----------------------------- Its cheaper (no dues of any kind, organization is not free) Present is good enough ... -- dml On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 03:34 PM, caz801 wrote: > Hadn't seen any posts about CP4, so I decided to get the ball rolling. > > I did enjoy myself, but I was disappointed in only getting to play 7 > rounds. I wasn't crazy about the distribution, (I thought the TV was > sorely lacking in diversity), but I understand that it suited some > people fine. The problem with this is an overall epidemic of there > being too many summer tourneys. In past years, Capitol Punishment > was in the middle of July, a good 2-3 weeks before the Burns. > > This year, CP4 was the week before the Burns, effectively eliminating > people who wanted to play in both that had to drive a long distance > or fly. In addition, Moc/Muck Masters (I forget which is trash) is > the same weekend as the Burns. > > Effectively, there are something like 30-35 trash packets being > written for the 3 tourneys, and CP4 had only 9 at their disposal. > Too many tournaments seems to be a prevalent circuit problem, as the > only fundrasising means other than meager university grants, they > appear to be necessary, but fewer and fewer teams seem to turn out to > things each year. > > I think the time has come for there to be some sort of governing > control of the circuit. Basically, a centralized scheduling body. > They say when the tournaments will be, instead of a first-come system > which leads to inefficiency. My idea is to convene a 5-person panel > who decides when the tourneys will be held, taking into account > special requests like football weekends, SATs, etc. Teams will > simply submit what they wish to host at the beginning of the year, > and the schedule will be set that way. This way, there might be a > way to ensure that every collegiate tourney can get 10 or so teams, > which can produce enough revenue to make them worthwhile. > > > Well, dissect, destroy, rip up the idea. My basic economic analysis > says that we charge each other way too little for tourneys, > especially if there is team editing involved. However, it seems there > are too many sparsely attended tourneys that could be better attended > if more scheduling foresight was in place. > > Thanks, > Phil Castagna > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > quizbowl-unsubscribe_at_yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > David Levinson Assistant Professor University of Minnesota Department of Civil Engineering 500 Pillsbury Drive SE Minneapolis, MN 55455 USA V: 612-625-6354 F: 612-626-7750 E: mailto:/levin031_at_... W: http://www.ce.umn.edu/~levinson ======================================================== Financing Transportation Networks: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1840645946/transportationec/ ========================================================
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