Re: CBI Region 9 Results

• From: rjgrimes <no_reply_at_yahoogroups.com>
• Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:16:36 -0000
• Message-ID: <b3brpk+l2kg_at_...>

--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, dpucollegebowl <no_reply_at_y...> 
wrote:
> In Region 9, it went like this:
> 
> > In the final match, DePauw finishes ahead 165-140.  Notre Dame 
> protests an answer they gave of "Zaire" for a question relating to 
> the current legal tender of the "Democratic Republic of the 
Congo".  
> Initially, they had been given a neg (despite a direction to 
prompt 
> if the answer "Zaire" was given, which was missed by both the 
> moderator and the judge) and DePauw had not gotten the TU correct 
> during the match, so the match continued as normal.  CBI National 
> headquarters is called and it is ruled that Notre Dame is to be 
> given the correct answer and have the neg taken away, making the 
> score 165-155.  Then they are to be read a TU (for ONLY Notre Dame 
> to answer -- whose answer was "amber", with the final two clues 
> calling it "this fossilized resin" and "important to the plot of 
> Jurassic Park") and given a 30-20-10 bonus (name the NFL team, 30-
20-
> 10, where the 20 pt clue mentioned that Larry Czonka of this team 
> was in the Hall of Fame...), thus declaring Notre Dame the 
winners.  
> Both teams thereby finish the day with 2 losses and a 2-2 record 
> against one another.
> 
> What do people think of this procedure?

I don't understand why Notre Dame was given both the 15 points AND a 
free toss-up.  It seems to me there are two possibly correct ways to 
handle this:

1)  Take away Notre Dame's neg 5, since they should have been 
prompted, making the score 165-145.  However, since we can't know 
that they would have answered properly if prompted, they can't get 
the 10.  Another toss-up should then be read (although I'm not 
convinced it would need to be for Notre Dame only--technically not 
prompting could have thrown De Pauw off as well); or 

2)  Decide Notre Dame would have answered DROC if prompted, so they 
get 15 points (eliminate the minus five, give them the ten), and 
then give them a bonus (the one they would have gotten had they been 
properly prompted).  Why they would get an extra toss-up as well is 
beyond me.  If it makes y'all feel any better, De Pauw, under this 
scenario the 20 Notre Dame got on the bonus would be sufficient for 
the win even without the incorrectly awarded toss-up.

--Rick (certainly not speaking for the Region 4 staff, or anything 
else connected with ACUI or CBI).