Re: A Very Important Question that I need answered...

• From: valenciaqbowl <no_reply_at_yahoogroups.com>
• Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:50:45 -0000
• Message-ID: <b3npfl+rpu_at_...>

I would like to say that the Berry Tournaments that 
> I competed in (1999 and 2000) might have been in the same format 
(20 
> Tossups/Bonuses) that we play now, but the caliber of questions 
(and 
> competition, for that matter) was completely a different universe.  

I'm going to disagree with your take on the caliber of questions used 
for the Berry College Two-Year Tournament, Lee.  My Valencia teams 
competed with your Snead St. team there, and we've been there eight 
times.  The questions there were written for the most part by Don 
Wyndham and Carol Guthrie, and though they may not have been as 
difficult as questions you'd see at, say, ACF Regionals, they were 
indeed similar in structure.  Indeed, at risk of aggravating Don and 
Carol, I'll back up my point by saying that at times they filled out 
Berry packets with questions from the old Tennessee Masters, knowing 
that no CC players would've been at that tournament in the mid-90s.  

Further, the competition there could be pretty good.  Just off the 
top of my head, some of the players who competed in that tournament 
in the last 6-7 years include Raj Bhan, Eric Floyd, Jim Baker (#5 
scorer in Div. II ICT last year), Mitch Alday (who went on to play at 
Berry), Gene WhoselastnameIforget (who played with Mitch on those 
strong Berry teams of the late 90s), and of course, yourself.  

Regardless, I would consider you Division II in any tournament in 
which you and your Athens St. teammates hadn't already played more 
than once.

--chris borglum
 
> 
> 
> --- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, Stephen Taylor 
> <stephen_taylor_qb_at_y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Lee,
> > First, let me make it clear that I have no jurisdiction in 
> deciding the matter, as I do not direct any tournaments.  But if I 
> did, and if the eligibility rule for the tournament in question was 
> as you describe, my position would be that having played at the 
> Berry tournament would, in fact, count.  The point isn't whether or 
> not you've faced higher-level teams, nor is it the degree of 
> difficulty of the questions per se, but whether or not you've 
played 
> in this format at the collegiate level.  
> > And some of those Alabama CCs are pretty strong--Bevill State to 
> name one.
> > Stephen Taylor
> > Coach, Macon State College
> >  "quizbowllee2 <scholarsbowl_at_h...>" <scholarsbowl_at_h...> wrote:
> > 1) Most tournaments limit Division II eligibility to players in 
> > their first 2 years of "Intercollegiate Competition" (such as 
> > Charlie's post about Moon Pie).  However, it is also stated that 
> CBI 
> > experience does not count because it is so far-removed from the 
> > ACF/NAQT level.  My question is: Does Community College 
experience 
> > count?  I did play 2 years at Snead State CC in Alabama.  
However, 
> > we played only other Community College teams within our own 
state. 
> > We only played out-of-state teams at a Berry Invitational and at 
a 
> > CBI - sponsored event in Florida.  The questions used in our 
> > Community College league were no where near the caliber used in 
> the 
> > 4-year tournaments that we have gone to this year.  
> > 
> > 
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