Re: congratulations

     It is certainly not my custom to get involved in this sort of
silliness, but since no one else has responded directly to Mr.
Frankel's post at this point, I shall do so.

     No offense (or perhaps offense -- I don't care), but Mr.
Frankel's criticism is quite inaccurate.  I needn't bother addressing
the appropriateness of the tone.  Last year, as has been detailed at
great length on Mr. Weiner's hsquizbowl board, UCLA got a last-minute
offer to enter a D2 team in the 2003 ICT because of last-minute
dropouts, with the stipulation that the players would not lose their
D2 eligibility.  The option, at _that_ late a date, was having an
unnecessary bye for in the D2 field.  The offer was far from covert --
as Jerry mentioned, it was widely known on the west coast, and I'd
heard about it somewhere as well (I'm from Florida).  As R mentioned
in an earlier post, NAQT did not expect UCLA to be a contender last
year.  In any case, those are the basics.

(1) To imply that UCLA won the D2 title yesterday _because_ of having
played in last year's ICT is simply misleading.  Anyone who saw UCLA's
performance yesterday could tell you otherwise.  They took an early
loss to Harvard, but otherwise they ran the table, beating a good
Illinois team by a wide margin in the final.  They won because they
were the best team, not because of having played in last year's ICT. 
One might argue that playing in the 2003 ICT would give them some kind
of advantage, but the degree of that advantage would not come close to
accounting for the gap between UCLA and the other contenders.

(2) To imply that UCLA participated in "corruption" is unfair to the
UCLA players.  They did _nothing_ wrong.

(3) While some may find NAQT's handling of the 2003 situation and
subsequent explanation unsatisfying ... it's a dead thread.  There is
nothing more that NAQT, UCLA, or anyone else can do.  This was all
hashed out at excessive length in February.  I've never seen this
specific situation as some severe reeking-of-corruption thing,
because, frankly, it isn't.  Honestly, at _worst_, it was an
ill-advised decision made by NAQT last year to try to fill in a gap in
the field on a day's notice or so.  Whether it was ill-advised has
been a matter of debate (see February posts on both boards), but the
suggestion that _this specific situation_ is one which reeks of
corruption is simply inaccurate.

     There are more and presumably better arguments to be made in this
respect (point #2 can certainly be better made), but I'm tired and I
don't need to involve myself any further in this sort of silliness.  

Getting back to the actual tournament, my congratulations to the
winners of the various titles, especially Berkeley on their dual
stompings of us.  Berkeley and Illinois A put on great performances in
winning the D1 and D1 undergrad finals, as did UCLA in D2.  My thanks
to WUSTL, NAQT, and the various staffers for a tournament I enjoyed.

--Raj Dhuwalia, UF


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--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, ater31337 <no_reply_at_y...> wrote:
> I just wanted to say; congratulations to Illinois for winning both the
> UG and D2 titles LEGITIMATELY, not as a result of favoritism, or
> corrupt bargains made covertly with the NAQT insiders or as a result
> of playing TWO STRAIGHT YEARS IN A ROW, but as a result of fair, by
> the rules competition.  I appreciate the way you guys play by the
> rules, as opposed to camping out in the wrong division solely because
> you know you don't have the skills to cut it in REAL competition. 
> Props to Illinoise, hopefully the real teams will learn to play
> honorably and not to win fradulent games, solely by virtue of
> bureaucratic bullshit that NAQT tries to practice and act like it's
> not a problem, even though everyone knows better.

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