Re: This Tournament Goes to Eleven 2006 to be held the weekend of October 21.

Hi,
   Since, I guess, you forgot (must be all that social life stuff or
whatever?) Sudheer's post has its impetus in the fact that, in 2003,
you promised us (as in Illinois, through me) a tournament that was 75%
academic and delivered something that, by the statistics I kept, was
45%. You claim somewhat more, but this is moot; the simple fact is
that we didn't have a very good time (and this at a tournament we won)
because we didn't get what we were promised by you. Besides the issue
of content, there were a number of other issues (repeats, at least two
answers three times and other things, topped-off by that audio round
where about 60% of the questions were songs that neither team had
heard but which contained their titles in the lyrics. That's just a
piss-poor idea.) When I attempted to discuss these issues with you,
you told me that, if I had a problem, I shouldn't have come.
   Since, doubtless, your reply will be to say what an asshole I am or
say my opinion doesn't matter since I didn't go last year or tell me
to fuck myself (as you already have Sudheer) or something equally
insipid, I'll note that the team of mostly freshman that we sent to
last year's incarnation also didn't like it. In fact, they came back
dissapointed with me for not having prevented their going. For all
that, we might even still go back, but we'd want an actually reliable
accouinting of the contents of the tournament. I don't see that that's
unreasonable. I had a blast at this tournament the first two times I
went and I don't see why it shouldn't be like that again.

Later,
MaS

--- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, "dr_pookman" <dr_pookman_at_...> wrote:
>
> Dan,
> 
> A) Have *you* been to TTGT11 at Iowa?  If not, do not refer to it as 
> shit.  Come to it first, and then refer to it as shit.  I hereby 
> invite you and whatever team you can field.  
> 
> B) Please, do not generalize one player's opinion to the rest of his 
> team's.  I expect no one who reads this board to generalize my 
> opinions to UIAQC's.  I'm a huge asshole, whereas the rest of my team 
> consists of pretty nice people.
> 
> C) You're right: I jiggered the numbers in my favor.  I knew for sure 
> that there were no smart people on this board who would call me on 
> it, and even if there were, there was no chance that any of them 
> could do simple math, let alone statistics.  This made the job of 
> painstaking categorization of each question as either academic or 
> trash much cheaper, as I was then able to layoff the team of 
> certified accountants I had procured for counting purposes.
> 
> D) Again, you're right: despite the fact that I have a job, a social 
> life, and several hobbies other than quizbowl that bring meaning to 
> my pitiful existence, I SHOULD be expected know everybody's Yahoo! 
> handle on sight, and I have no right to expect that attacks on 
> specific individuals, schools, or tournaments be signed by name.  I 
> will work towards fixing my ridiculous standards in the future.
> 
> ++Andrew
> 
> --- In quizbowl_at_yahoogroups.com, "danpassner" <DanPassner_at_> wrote:
> 
> I generally go by a simple rule at this point: ""if you don't want
> people to call you out on shit, try hard not to produce shit." I
> call it Reid's Razor.
> 
> I learned that lesson through many mistakes and am still working on
> the latter part to it. Asinine posts suck, but so does spending $200
> year after year, as I'd imagine the UIUC team had done, to patronize
> your tournament, only to find it subpar.
> 
> I also wonder if you categorized q's like typhoid mary and the list
> tu on yarmulke as academic? Numbers can be jiggered around however
> one wants. Sudheer's (who the hell is he!?!?) post still maintains
> its assholey core validity, in my humble opinion.
> 
> But, its always good you put on an event with lots of packets each
> year, for that I do give you kudos. Put more time into the polish,
> and less into the audio round, and you might silence some of the so-
> called "partisans."
> 
> Dan
>

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