"How about something even more controversial but perhaps more meaningful. What do you all think of the presidential campaign? Im a liberal, all my friends are liberals, as is my entire family. Id love to hear some more opinions." I hate to post this, but it seems as if the goal of this club is to talk about quizbowl. The quizbowl "community" has already lost one locale because of off-topic posting (ask a dinosaur about "meowing" and then duck), and I'd prefer that we didn't lose another. Also - The horse has already been beaten down, but I would say that its significance in popular culture sort of demands rap's inclusions, particularly at trash tournaments - like Pokemon, it's a part of the pop culture canon whether or not you like it. Questions about its artistic merit are not related to quizbowl relevancy in the category of popular culture. If you want to attack/praise rap, go to The Source and find a chat room - whether or not you like it really doesn't matter here. I don't care if it has poetic lyrics and I don't care if it is mass-produced drivel - it sells a lot of albums and MTV likes it, so that seems enough to merit the occasional tossup and bonus. If you want to place rap in the category of Fine Arts, get in line - although jazz is still waiting its turn. Hayden
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