View source for Talk:List of current good quizbowl status of all North American states, provinces, and territories

Is a similar page planned to track the continued existence of bad quizbowl by location? There are several locations that have successful good quizbowl circuits but still a significant bad quizbowl presence (Illinois and Missouri, at least). [[User:Jonah Greenthal|Jonah]] ([[User talk:Jonah Greenthal|talk]]) 20:39, 9 March 2014 (PDT)

I overwrote some aesthetic changes to the page to get my info drop finished; if you want to retrieve your formatting work to get it back in without redoing it, it's in the revision history. [[User:Matt Weiner|Matt Weiner]] ([[User talk:Matt Weiner|talk]]) 20:46, 9 March 2014 (PDT)

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I think having the overall status on one page makes the most sense (having it on separate pages would make Missouri look good on the "good" page and bad on the "bad" page, for instance). Ben Zhang suggested in the IRC:

<blockquote>would it be better to organize it as a table with columns for "good quizbowl presence", "bad quizbowl presence", and "quizbowl organizations"</blockquote>

I think a table similar to this makes sense. How about something like this, with Missouri/Kansas as examples:

{|class="wikitable"
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!State/Province/Territory
!Overall status
![[Good quizbowl]] presence
![[Bad quizbowl]] presence
|-
|'''Kansas'''
|overwhelmingly bad; restrictive governing body
|[[KSHSAA]] does not bar hosting a good quizbowl event in Kansas. So far, a few NAQT sets have been run. Possible that support for a better system will arise at some point.
|KSHSAA is one of the most backwards governing bodies in any state; terrible state championship, season restricted to late October to mid-February, and restrictions on out-of-state participation (including at national championships) are probably not going away anytime soon. 
|-
|'''Missouri'''
|many good tournaments, but still a large bad quizbowl presence; restrictive governing body
| 
* Many good tournaments hosted every year, largely thanks to the efforts of the [[Missouri Quizbowl Alliance]]. 
*[[MSHSAA]] state championship has used [[NAQT]] questions since 2011 and has resulted in many more tournaments using NAQT.
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* Participation in grades 7-12 is governed by MSHSAA, which imposes restrictions on the length of the season, number and locations of tournaments, who can attend national tournaments, etc. As of the 2012-2013 season MSHSAA requires certain rules to be used at all tournaments, such as recognition by name after buzzing. 
*Fewer tournaments are run on bad questions than had been in previous years, but despite using better questions, the MSHSAA state series and many regular-season tournaments still include bad quizbowl features like [[speed-check]] tossups, tons of [[computational math]], and [[single-elimination]] playoffs.
|}

I'm undecided on whether or not it looks better with bullet points; doesn't really matter to me. - [[User:Jeffrey Hill|Jeffrey Hill]] ([[User talk:Jeffrey Hill|talk]]) 17:18, 10 March 2014 (PDT)

I like the idea of having a table, but those things can get to be a bit of an eyesore when they're 25+ rows long--[[User:Zachary Yan|Zachary Yan]] ([[User talk:Zachary Yan|talk]]) 17:30, 10 March 2014 (PDT)

I would strongly support a clear table like that. The bullet points are kind of confusing right now (especially with the mix of good qb/bad qb info) and the table would more clearly define good and bad - Chris C.

Unless there are any objections, I'll switch this over to the proposed table format. [[User:Jeffrey Hill|Jeffrey Hill]] ([[User talk:Jeffrey Hill|talk]]) 21:08, 19 June 2015 (CDT)

I started to convert this to the table format, but after about the first few areas didn't like how it was turning out. Mainly, my limited knowledge of most other circuits made it difficult for me to feel confident about what I was putting in the overall status column. I still like the proposed table format; I think it would be more useful/accurate if someone more knowledgeable like Chris C. made the conversion. [[User:Jeffrey Hill|Jeffrey Hill]] ([[User talk:Jeffrey Hill|talk]]) 23:16, 11 July 2015 (CDT)